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06/05/2009 01:00 PM Senate RESOURCES


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01:06:46 PM Start
01:07:44 PM Incentivizing Cook Inlet Natural Gas
01:09:26 PM Chevron Alaska - John Zager, Alaska Assets Manager
01:30:12 PM Concophillips Alaska - Dan Clark, Cook Inlet Manager
01:42:10 PM Marathon Oil Company - Carri Lockhard, Alaska Production Manager
02:09:25 PM Aurora Gas, Llc - Bruce Webb
02:24:04 PM Armstrong Oil and Gas - Ed Kerr, Vice President, Land and Business Development
02:38:33 PM Escopeta Oil Company - Bruce Webb, Spoke for Danny Davis, Consultant
03:01:57 PM Dnr/office of the Governor - Kevin Banks, Acting Director, Division of Oil and Gas
03:32:05 PM Regularoy Commission of Alaska (rca) - Chairman Bob Pickett - Gas Pricing
03:50:49 PM Gas Storage & Other Infrastructure Issues - Mark Slaughter, Enstar's Manager of Gas Supply; Ethan Schutt, Senior Vice President, Ciri Land & Legal Affairs; Kevin Banks, Dnr; Rca Chairman Bob Pickett; Suzanne Gibson, Chugach
04:19:50 PM Access Issues - Kenai National Wildlife Refuge, Robin West, Refuge Manager, and Ciri Ethan Schutt, Senior Vice President, Land & Legal Affairs
04:42:08 PM Adjourn
* first hearing in first committee of referral
+ teleconferenced
= bill was previously heard/scheduled
+ Meeting to Consider Ways to Incentivize TELECONFERENCED
Additional Natural Gas Production in Cook
Inlet.
1:00 p.m. - 5:00 p.m.
                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
              SENATE RESOURCES STANDING COMMITTEE                                                                             
                         ANCHORAGE LIO                                                                                        
                          June 5, 2009                                                                                          
                           1:06 p.m.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Senator Lesil McGuire, Co-Chair                                                                                                 
Senator Bill Wielechowski, Co-Chair                                                                                             
Senator Charlie Huggins, Vice Chair                                                                                             
Senator Bert Stedman                                                                                                            
Senator Hollis French                                                                                                           
Senator Gary Stevens                                                                                                            
Senator Thomas Wagoner                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
All members present                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
OTHER LEGISLATORS PRESENT                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Senator Dennis Egan                                                                                                             
Senator Gene Therriault                                                                                                         
Senator Johnny Ellis                                                                                                            
Representative Paul Seaton - via teleconference                                                                                 
Representative Mark Neuman                                                                                                      
Representative Mike Chenault                                                                                                    
Representative Pete Peterson                                                                                                    
Representative Chris Tuck                                                                                                       
Representative Les Gara                                                                                                         
Representative Craig Johnson                                                                                                    
Representative Wes Keller                                                                                                       
Representative Jay Ramras                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Incentivizing Cook Inlet Natural Gas                                                                                          
-Chevron Alaska - John Zager, Alaska Assets Manager                                                                             
-ConcoPhillips Alaska - Dan Clark, Cook Inlet Manager                                                                           
-Marathon Oil Company - Carri Lockhard, Alaska Production                                                                       
Manager                                                                                                                         
-Aurora Gas, LLC - Bruce Webb                                                                                                   
-Armstrong Oil and Gas - Ed Kerr, Vice President, Land and                                                                      
Business Development                                                                                                            
-Escopeta Oil Company - Bruce Webb                                                                                              
-DNR/Office  of  the Governor  -  Kevin  Banks, Acting  Director,                                                               
Division of Oil and Gas                                                                                                         
-Regulatory Commission of  Alaska (RCA) - Chairman  Bob Pickett -                                                               
Gas Pricing                                                                                                                     
-Gas  Storage &  Other  Infrastructure Issues  - Mark  Slaughter,                                                               
Enstar's  Manager  of  Gas  Supply;  Ethan  Schutt,  Senior  Vice                                                               
President, CIRI Land & Legal  Affairs; Kevin Banks, Department of                                                               
Natural Resources (DNR); Bob Pickett,  Chairman, RCA; and Suzanne                                                               
Gibson, Chugach Electric Association                                                                                            
-Access  Issues  - Robin  West,  Refuge  Manager, Kenai  National                                                               
Wildlife Refuge  - Ethan  Schutt, Senior  Vice President,  Land &                                                               
Legal Affairs, CIRI                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
PREVIOUS COMMITTEE ACTION                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
No Previous Action to Report                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
JOHN ZAGER, General Manager                                                                                                     
Chevron Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION  STATEMENT:   Commented  on   Cook  Inlet   natural  gas                                                             
development issues.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
DAN CLARK, Cook Inlet Assets Manager                                                                                            
ConocoPhillips Alaska                                                                                                           
POSITION  STATEMENT:   Commented  on   Cook  Inlet   natural  gas                                                             
development issues.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
CARRI LOCKHARD, Production Manager                                                                                              
Alaska Operations                                                                                                               
Marathon Oil                                                                                                                    
POSITION  STATEMENT:   Commented  on   Cook  Inlet   natural  gas                                                             
development issues.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
BRUCE WEBB, Manager                                                                                                             
Land and Regulatory Affairs                                                                                                     
Aurora Gas, LLC.                                                                                                                
POSITION  STATEMENT:   Commented  on   Cook  Inlet   natural  gas                                                             
development issues.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
ED KERR, Vice President                                                                                                         
Land and Business Development                                                                                                   
Armstrong Cook Inlet                                                                                                            
Subsidiary of Armstrong Oil and Gas                                                                                             
POSITION  STATEMENT:   Commented  on   Cook  Inlet   natural  gas                                                             
development issues.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
BRUCE WEBB, Manager                                                                                                             
Land and Regulatory Affairs                                                                                                     
Aurora Gas                                                                                                                      
POSITION  STATEMENT:   Commented  on   Cook  Inlet   natural  gas                                                             
development issues.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
KEVIN BANKS, Acting Director                                                                                                    
Division of Oil and Gas                                                                                                         
Department of Natural Resources (DNR)                                                                                           
POSITION  STATEMENT:   Commented  on   Cook  Inlet   natural  gas                                                             
development issues.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
JOE BALASH, Intergovernmental Coordinator                                                                                       
Office of the Governor                                                                                                          
POSITION  STATEMENT:   Commented  on   Cook  Inlet   natural  gas                                                             
development issues.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
BOB PICKETT, Chairman                                                                                                           
Regulatory Commission of Alaska (RCA)                                                                                           
POSITION  STATEMENT: Highlighted  the statutory  role of  the RCA                                                             
with natural gas development.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MARK SLAUGHTER, Gas Supply Manager                                                                                              
Enstar Natural Gas Company                                                                                                      
Representing Enstar, a division of Semco, and                                                                                   
The Alaska Pipeline Company, a wholly-owned subsidiary of Semco                                                                 
POSITION  STATEMENT:   Commented  on   Cook  Inlet   natural  gas                                                             
development issues.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
SUZANNE GIBSON, Director                                                                                                        
Energy Resources                                                                                                                
Chugach Electric Association (CEA)                                                                                              
POSITION  STATEMENT:   Commented  on   Cook  Inlet   natural  gas                                                             
development issues.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
ETHAN SCHUTT, Senior Vice President                                                                                             
Land and Energy Development                                                                                                     
Cook Inlet Regional Inc. (CIRI)                                                                                                 
POSITION  STATEMENT:   Commented  on   Cook  Inlet   natural  gas                                                             
development issues.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
ROBIN WEST, Refuge Manager                                                                                                      
Kenai National Wildlife Refuge                                                                                                  
POSITION  STATEMENT:   Commented  on   Cook  Inlet   natural  gas                                                             
development issues.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
KIM CUNNINGHAM, Director                                                                                                        
Land and Resources                                                                                                              
Cook Inlet Regional Inc. (CIRI)                                                                                                 
POSITION  STATEMENT:   Commented  on   Cook  Inlet   natural  gas                                                             
development issues.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
ACTION NARRATIVE                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
1:06:46 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  WIELECHOWSKI  called   the  Senate  Resources  Standing                                                             
Committee meeting  to order at 1:06  p.m. Present at the  call to                                                               
order  were  Senators  McGuire,   French,  Huggins  and  Wagoner,                                                               
Wielechowski.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
1:07:44 PM                                                                                                                    
^Incentivizing Cook Inlet Natural Gas                                                                                           
              Incentivizing Cook Inlet Natural Gas                                                                          
                                                                                                                              
CO-CHAIR WIELECHOWSKI said the purpose  of today's meeting was to                                                               
identify  and  discuss  any   potential  barriers  to  additional                                                               
investment by  natural gas producers  in Cook Inlet.  Put another                                                               
way:                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     What  can  the  state  do to  encourage  or  facilitate                                                                    
     additional  investment?   Cook  Inlet   production  has                                                                    
     declined considerably.  In the last three  years it has                                                                    
     declined by more  than 50 bcf. Current  demand is about                                                                    
     140  bcf;  so  the  decline is  significant.  By  2012,                                                                    
     annualized  instate  demand  will  exceed  supply  from                                                                    
     existing wells.  This assumes no  export of  Cook Inlet                                                                    
     gas.  It  also does  not  consider  the fact  the  peak                                                                    
     demand  could exceed  supply as  early  as this  coming                                                                    
     winter. By 2019, annualized  instate demand will exceed                                                                    
     supply  from development  of probable  reserves in  the                                                                    
     region.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     In other  words, we have  three years before we  have a                                                                    
     supply  problem   if  we  looked  at   production  from                                                                    
     existing wells only. We have  an additional seven years                                                                    
     if  we  assume  probable reserves  will  be  developed;                                                                    
     additional exploration  could give  us more  years. But                                                                    
     time is  of the  essence. Because  of its  proximity to                                                                    
     Anchorage and  other Railbelt population  centers, Cook                                                                    
      Inlet gas could be the least expensive energy source                                                                      
     available to more than half the state's population.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR WIELECHOWSKI  said they would  hear from six  Cook Inlet                                                               
explorers  and producers,  the  Department  of Natural  Resources                                                               
(DNR),  the  Governor's  Office,  the  Regulatory  Commission  of                                                               
Alaska  (RCA),  Enstar,  Chugach Electric,  Cook  Inlet  Regional                                                               
Incorporation (CIRI), and the Kenai National Wildlife Refuge.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
^Chevron Alaska - John Zager, Alaska Assets Manager                                                                             
       Chevron Alaska - John Zager, Alaska Assets Manager                                                                   
                                                                                                                              
1:09:26 PM                                                                                                                    
JOHN  ZAGER,  General Manager,  Chevron  Alaska,  said that  more                                                               
production and deliverability  is needed to meet  peak needs, and                                                               
made the following points:                                                                                                      
   · There are no quick fixes to annual production in Cook                                                                      
     Inlet, but peak deliverability can be addressed in two or                                                                  
     three years.                                                                                                               
   · Peak deliverability can potentially be increased more                                                                      
     quickly through new storage within two-three years                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
1:11:50 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  ZAGER   said  the  Cook  Inlet   basin  has  infrastructure,                                                               
resources, and  a market,  but incentives  are needed  to attract                                                               
sufficient  capital  to  develop  them.  However,  the  remaining                                                               
resources are  not similar  to the  current ones.  Large existing                                                               
fields are  declining and  new fields will  be more  difficult to                                                               
develop   because   the   reservoirs  are   smaller   and   other                                                               
infrastructure will be needed.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
So,  Mr.  Zager  said,  the  risk-reward appears  to  be  out  of                                                               
balance. He  summarized that the  Inlet has  significant geologic                                                               
risk  because the  new reservoirs  are smaller  and discontinuous                                                               
and  that makes  them more  difficult to  predict; the  costs are                                                               
high in terms  of the reservoirs being in  remote locations along                                                               
with all the other higher costs  from developing in Alaska - like                                                               
wages and vendors.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Market risks  exist as  well -  one is  that demand  is cyclical,                                                               
which means you need excess capacity  to serve summer peaks and -                                                               
for  new entrants  especially -  they  have an  extra problem  of                                                               
paying for exploration without having  a contract to sell the gas                                                               
and at the same time of not  being able to get a contract without                                                               
having any proven reserves to sell.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
1:14:00 PM                                                                                                                    
There is also regulatory risk in  the form of once you agree with                                                               
a party  it has to  be approved  by the Regulatory  Commission of                                                               
Alaska, which takes more time and significant money.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
1:14:25 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. ZAGER said  the state does not control a  few things like the                                                               
geology,  the high  cost environment,  and the  attractiveness of                                                               
outside investments.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
1:15:15 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  WAGONER asked  how a  bullet line  coming down  from the                                                               
North Slope (NS) into the same  market in Cook Inlet would affect                                                               
current exploration and production of gas there.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. ZAGER answered that in  general it would suppress exploration                                                               
in the  Cook Inlet. However, if  you had an existing  contract in                                                               
Cook  Inlet and  didn't  have any  NS gas,  you  might choose  to                                                               
continue to  explore in the  Inlet to fulfill your  contract from                                                               
local markets.  But new entrants  would have  another significant                                                               
obstacle to exploration in Alaska.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
1:17:53 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. ZAGER  said to encourage  more production  and deliverability                                                               
the state  needs to promote or  at least allow a  competitive gas                                                               
price in  Alaska. Nobody shows  up at  Cook Inlet gas  sales now,                                                               
but  they  used to.  The  price  must  be sufficient  to  attract                                                               
applicants no matter where in Alaska it comes from.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
He said  that today  Union Oil,  a subsidiary  of Chevron,  has a                                                               
2001 contract with Enstar, the  last gas contract approved by the                                                               
RCA  delivering  any  gas  to  customers.  It  was  controversial                                                               
because it tied  their price to the three-year  rolling Henry Hub                                                               
price, the  first time it had  been pegged to an  outside number.                                                               
He thought it a very  successful contract because they originally                                                               
committed to spending $10 million  in exploration, but they spent                                                               
several  hundred   million  dollars   since  then   -  exploring,                                                               
developing, putting  in pipelines  and the  first gas  storage in                                                               
the Cook  Inlet - all  in preparation  to serve that  market. So,                                                               
today they sell 19.5 bcf/yr.  to Enstar and provide approximately                                                               
60 percent  of their market. They  are backing off this  level in                                                               
the out years, because they don't feel they have sufficient gas.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Storage  in all  forms should  be promoted,  Mr. Zager  said. All                                                               
storage  in  the  Inlet  today  is  below-ground  using  depleted                                                               
natural  gas reservoirs.  Storage  facilities are  also owned  by                                                               
Marathon.  Storage  investment  could  be  promoted  through  tax                                                               
credits,  and he  argued that  he thought  the state  got a  much                                                               
better bang for the buck on  storage investments than it did on a                                                               
single well, because storage can be  there year after year and it                                                               
can  help move  larger  volumes of  gas from  the  summer to  the                                                               
winter and manage the existing peak issues.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
1:21:17 PM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR WIELECHOWSKI asked if he  envisioned storing in depleted                                                               
wells or building large storage tanks.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. ZAGER replied that Chevron  would look at underground storage                                                               
first because that is where  their experience is. Other companies                                                               
because of  their characteristics,  in terms  of how  much volume                                                               
they could ship  and how much peaking they could  get for a given                                                               
volume, might have different solutions.  To manage this situation                                                               
well   they  would   need  to   have  a   portfolio  of   storage                                                               
opportunities going forward.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
He  suggested treating  storage costs  like transportation  costs                                                               
that are  deductible for royalty  purposes. He said  that storage                                                               
adds value to  gas in moving from summer to  winter, but the cost                                                               
of preparing that gas for market is not recognized.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Another suggestion  he had was  to lower costs where  possible by                                                               
streamlining permitting  and expanding  the annual  access period                                                               
to the west side drilling in  the State Refuge. He explained that                                                               
they  have a  couple of  fields in  the Refuge  and now  they are                                                               
limited to  drilling only  in the coldest  months of  the winter.                                                               
This adds costs  and makes it a remote operation  similar to a NS                                                               
operation.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Another suggestion  was to  try to remove  other barriers  - like                                                               
encouraging access  to public lands for  exploration. The current                                                               
RCA process  is a disincentive  and should be streamlined.  For a                                                               
smaller contract you  have to wonder whether if even  the cost of                                                               
going through the  RCA process is justified.  Many interveners in                                                               
the process  are marginally related  to the direct issue  at hand                                                               
and try to use the process for other needs.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
1:24:50 PM                                                                                                                    
Finally, he  said the RCA  should prioritize security  and supply                                                               
over price.  Over the last  couple of years  it has tried  to get                                                               
the best price even at the risk  the people may not want to serve                                                               
that contract because of the peaking requirements in it.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
1:25:33 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  ZAGER   said  having  a  year-round   industrial  market  is                                                               
important,  because restarting  a field  would be  more difficult                                                               
and costly  than just diverting  the gas  that is already  in the                                                               
line to - the LNG plant,  for instance. Production costs would be                                                               
higher,  too, because  a lot  of  the same  fixed overhead  costs                                                               
would have to be allocated  amongst much smaller volumes. With no                                                               
summer market then there would be no winter back stopping.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Finally,  he  explained  that   a  year-round  industrial  market                                                               
encourages investment not  only by offering a  summer market, but                                                               
by providing alignment amongst the  working interest owners, many                                                               
of which co-own  the peak units in the basin.  So, if one company                                                               
didn't  have a  market that  would make  it much  harder for  the                                                               
other companies  to go  ahead and  invest -  and stay  aligned on                                                               
development plans in the field.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
1:27:36 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. ZAGER clarified  that Chevron is not exporting  LNG, and they                                                               
have  no  ownership  of  the  plant.  He  strongly  advised  that                                                               
conservation  should   seriously  be   promoted  by   everyone  -                                                               
especially during peak times!                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  HUGGINS asked  what Chevron's  storage  capacity is  and                                                               
what they would like to achieve.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. ZAGER  replied that their  capacity is in the  3-5 bcf/annual                                                               
volumes, and  they haven't studied basin-wide  storage because of                                                               
their market size.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
^ConcoPhillips Alaska - Dan Clark, Cook Inlet Manager                                                                           
      ConcoPhillips Alaska - Dan Clark, Cook Inlet Manager                                                                  
                                                                                                                              
1:30:12 PM                                                                                                                    
DAN  CLARK, Cook  Inlet  Assets  Manager, ConocoPhillips  Alaska,                                                               
said  he  had  four  main discussion  points:  a  description  of                                                               
ConocoPhillips  assets   in  Cook  Inlet  and   their  Kenai  LNG                                                               
facility,  a  highlight  of the  recent  agreement  with  Chugach                                                               
Electric  Association,  and what  they  see  is the  major  issue                                                               
confronting the Cook Inlet gas developer.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
He said  that ConocoPhillips has  operated in the Cook  Inlet for                                                               
over 40  years and  has three assets:  the on-shore  Beluga River                                                               
unit,  the off-shore  north Cook  Inlet unit,  and the  Kenai LNG                                                               
plant. Between  the Beluga  River and the  north Cook  Inlet unit                                                               
they  operate  approximately  180-190   mcf/day  of  natural  gas                                                               
production. It has invested  almost $100 billion/gross throughout                                                               
the  life of  these three  assets, and  has played  a significant                                                               
role  in developing  and  maintaining those  gas  supplies and  a                                                               
market outlet in  the Cook Inlet for decades.  They are currently                                                               
in the process of executing development programs in both fields.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
During 2008-09 they anticipate  investing over $150 million/gross                                                               
in six  new wells plus  an additional major work-over  of another                                                               
one.  ConocoPhillips does  not hold  any prospective  exploration                                                               
acreage  in the  Cook Inlet,  and their  future developments  are                                                               
finite  and in  the  two  fields; so  the  extent  of the  future                                                               
development  depends  on  the  success   of  their  current  work                                                               
program.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. CLARK  stated that  the Kenai  LNG plant  has played  a vital                                                               
role in  providing a market outlet  for gas as well  as providing                                                               
significant employment  opportunities and  revenue to  the state.                                                               
Additionally, the ability  to divert volumes from  the plant into                                                               
the local  market in order  to meet  peak demand during  times of                                                               
extreme  cold  temperatures  has  been  very  beneficial  to  the                                                               
Southcentral Alaska gas market.  ConocoPhillips and Marathon, the                                                               
joint owners of  the LNG plant, have a federal  license to export                                                               
LNG through March 2011.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
1:33:21 PM                                                                                                                    
Pursuing  another extension  of their  export license  depends on                                                               
the   result   of   their  ongoing   development   program,   the                                                               
deliverability from other  fields in the Inlet, and  the level of                                                               
support   from  the   various  stakeholders.   ConocoPhillips  is                                                               
currently in the  process of evaluating the  performance of their                                                               
ongoing  development  program  dependent  on  those  results  and                                                               
considering  the  other  factors  he just  mentioned.  They  will                                                               
decide in  consultation with Marathon  whether to  pursue another                                                               
export license extension or not.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. CLARK  said with respect  to local utility demand,  they have                                                               
recently  signed a  seven-year  68-bcf gas  sales agreement  with                                                               
Chugach  Electric  that  has  been   submitted  to  the  RCA  for                                                               
approval.  It will  provide a  substantial  portion of  Chugach's                                                               
unmet  needs   going  forward.  The  contract   provides  a  fair                                                               
compromise on the key contractual  terms and they hope for prompt                                                               
approval.  With  respect  to  the   future  in  the  Cook  Inlet,                                                               
ConocoPhillips  will continue  to  produce natural  gas to  honor                                                               
their commitments to the local market.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
The major issue that confronts the  Cook Inlet gas developer is a                                                               
limited amount of  room to place gas into the  market, he stated.                                                               
Furthermore the local  gas market is relatively  small and highly                                                               
cyclical. The combined local demand  is approximately 85 bcf/year                                                               
or an average  of 230 mmcf/day for the entire  year. A huge swing                                                               
in  demand happens  between winter  and summer  primarily due  to                                                               
variations in required space heating.  A peak day demand could be                                                               
upwards  of 450  mmcf/day and  the lowest  about 100  mmcf/day, a                                                               
significant variance.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
1:35:32 PM                                                                                                                    
If  wells  flow  only  seasonally,  they are  at  risk  of  water                                                               
encroachment and  possible loss  of producability.  Such negative                                                               
operational impacts  will lead to less  supply and deliverability                                                               
being available to the market.  So, from a producer's perspective                                                               
it is very  important to have assurance that gas  will be able to                                                               
flow into  the market  at stabilized  flow-rates from  the wells.                                                               
This  provides  some  economic   predictability  and  allows  the                                                               
possibility that both rate and reserves can be maximized.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. CLARK observed that the Cook  Inlet needs more gas storage to                                                               
levelize production,  and anything that  can be done  to increase                                                               
the overall demand  in the market such as  continued operation of                                                               
the LNG plant  and/or the reopening of the  Agrium facility would                                                               
be very helpful in creating  a stable market into which producers                                                               
could  flow  gas  consistently. ConocoPhillips  feels  that  this                                                               
issue  must  be  adequately  addressed in  order  for  additional                                                               
deliverability to be developed.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
1:36:55 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  FRENCH asked  what storage  ConocoPhillips has  in place                                                               
now.                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR. CLARK answered that the only  storage they have is at the LNG                                                               
plant and they don't have any underground storage.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR   FRENCH   asked   if   their  focus   is   on   existing                                                               
ConocoPhillips assets or were they exploring.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. CLARK replied that they are focused on existing assets.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  FRENCH asked  how many  wells they  will drill  over the                                                               
next three years.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR.  CLARK answered  depending on  the results  of this  phase of                                                               
development, they will go forward.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  FRENCH  asked  how   ConocoPhillips  will  report  those                                                               
results.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. CLARK  replied that they  have conversations with the  DNR as                                                               
part of the annual plans of development (POD) approval process.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR FRENCH asked if they are drilling year-round.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR. CLARK  answered that drilling  is dependent on  the location.                                                               
At Beluga River it has been  seasonal in the summer when they can                                                               
get access; at  the north Cook Inlet unit they  drill through the                                                               
winter.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR FRENCH asked for any other good news.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR.  CLARK  responded  that  the   drilling  rig  had  just  been                                                               
"demobed" at the north Cook Inlet  unit and those wells were just                                                               
brought on line. At Beluga  River, last year's well was producing                                                               
for a  few months,  but it  had mechanical  issues and  those are                                                               
being worked on right now. So, it's too early to tell.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
1:39:36 PM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR WIELECHOWSKI asked if they  have the ability to increase                                                               
the amount of gas they export out of their LNG plant.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR.  CLARK  replied that  their  license  limits the  amount  for                                                               
export.  The  plant is  currently  operating  at half-capacity  -                                                               
about  120  mmcf/day.   "So,  there  is  room   beyond  that  for                                                               
essentially up to 230 mmcf/day."                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR WIELECHOWSKI  asked if  ConocoPhillips was even  able to                                                               
import LNG to solve the short term problem.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. CLARK  answered yes they  could use their marine  terminal to                                                               
import  gas, but  they would  have to  invest in  modifying their                                                               
facilities to  regasify the  LNG that  came in.  "It's definitely                                                               
possible."                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR WIELECHOWSKI asked the quality of Cook Inlet gas.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. CLARK  replied it's  dry and  clean, and  has a  high methane                                                               
content - not a lot of other heavier components.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
^Marathon  Oil  Company  -   Carri  Lockhard,  Alaska  Production                                                               
Manager                                                                                                                         
                      Marathon Oil Company                                                                                  
           Carri Lockhard, Alaska Production Manager                                                                        
                                                                                                                              
1:42:10 PM                                                                                                                    
CARRI LOCKHARD,  Production Manager, Alaska  Operations, Marathon                                                               
Oil,  said the  Southcentral Alaska  natural gas  supply gap  has                                                               
been  recognized for  a year.  In 2006,  the Alaska  Oil and  Gas                                                               
Conservation   Commission   (AOGCC)  and   local   municipalities                                                               
sponsored the  Southcentral Alaska Energy Forum  at which Science                                                               
Applications  International Corporation  (SAIC) Manager,  Charles                                                               
Thomas, showed the Department of  Energy (DOE) Natural Gas Supply                                                               
and Demand  chart prepared with  data from the  2004 Southcentral                                                               
Alaska Natural  Gas Study. It  predicted that supply  would equal                                                               
demand  on  an annual  basis  by  the  year  2012. She  said  the                                                               
question is:  Do ongoing  efforts across  the entire  value chain                                                               
facilitate overall resource developments in energy reliability?                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
At  that same  forum Mr.  Thomas also  concluded that  Alaska has                                                               
potentially 15 tcf  of undiscovered resources in  the Cook Inlet,                                                               
but large  portions of  the land are  federal and  State Wildlife                                                               
Refuge  and  parks;  potentially   30-50  percent  of  the  prime                                                               
exploration  areas have  restricted access  or are  otherwise off                                                               
limits. So,  she said another  question is: Is enough  being done                                                               
to open  up exploration areas  to tap these  potentially abundant                                                               
undiscovered resources? And is history doomed to repeat itself?                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
At  the   same  forum,   Carolyn  Dunmire,   Dunmire  Consulting,                                                               
presented  a   report  prepared   for  the  Alaska   Natural  Gas                                                               
Development Authority (ANGDA) that  listed both energy supply and                                                               
demand  alternatives  for  the  Cook Inlet.  This  leads  to  the                                                               
question:  Is  enough  being  done   to  introduce  other  energy                                                               
alternatives  or  to  replace or  retrofit  gas-fired  electrical                                                               
generation  with dual-fuel  capabilities to  address natural  gas                                                               
conservation  and  a  demise  of an  unusually  low  natural  gas                                                               
pricing environment.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MS.  LOCKHARD stated  that in  the Lower  48, the  FERC-regulated                                                               
wellhead  prices  started  in  the   1930s  because  of  concerns                                                               
regarding  monopolistic tendencies  of interstate  gas pipelines.                                                               
It  set artificially  low price  ceilings for  natural gas  which                                                               
resulted  in  strong  demand  surging.  Consumers  received  good                                                               
value, but at a cost  to producers that received little incentive                                                               
to  invest  capital  for  exploration   and  development  of  new                                                               
reserves. Gas  shortages resulted in 1976-77  forcing many public                                                               
schools  and factories  in the  Midwest  to close.  Due to  these                                                               
negative   consequences,   wellhead   gas   prices   were   fully                                                               
deregulated in 1989.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
1:45:14 PM                                                                                                                    
So,  another question  is: Should  the role  of regulation  be to                                                               
help insure  long-term energy security,  supply to  consumers, or                                                               
to simply focus on gas price?                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
She said their region is facing  a future supply gap, but an even                                                               
more  immediate  issue is  the  Cook  Inlet's challenge  to  meet                                                               
contractual  daily peak  demand  requirements  for the  utilities                                                               
from natural  gas fields  that were  primarily discovered  in the                                                               
1960s.  Although these  gaps in  supply  and deliverability  have                                                               
been discussed  over recent years,  little has  been accomplished                                                               
that remedies the pending situation.  A significant effort now is                                                               
being focused  on the apparent  larger term solution  of bringing                                                               
NS gas into Southcentral Alaska. He stated:                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     However, if  they do not  fill the immediate  and short                                                                    
     term supply  and deliverability  gap, it  is Marathon's                                                                    
     view  that the  decision  must be  made  now and  plans                                                                    
     implemented  that  will  address  the  short  term  and                                                                    
     medium   term   realities.    We   believe   that   all                                                                    
     stakeholders   should   recognize    and   accept   key                                                                    
     ingredients and compromise  in efficient, effective and                                                                    
     competitive  natural  gas  markets, namely  -  with  no                                                                    
     intent to  prioritize - access  to resource,  access to                                                                    
     market and  the correct pricing signals  that allow new                                                                    
     sources  of gas  supply to  be explored  and developed.                                                                    
     Gas storage  should be developed as  required including                                                                    
     proprietary and third party storage.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MS.  LOCKHARD said  it is  important  to point  out that  demand,                                                               
conservation  and access  to market  are not  mutually exclusive.                                                               
Gas exploration  and drilling in Cook  Inlet is a very  high cost                                                               
proposition. There is room for  small funded producers; they play                                                               
an  important role  in  meeting  the overall  demand,  but it  is                                                               
unlikely they  alone can help meet  the needs of Cook  Inlet. The                                                               
local Cook Inlet  market is relatively small and by  itself it is                                                               
unlikely to be sustainable.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
"If a  significant natural gas  discovery were to be  made today,                                                               
the  local  Cook  Inlet  market  simply  could  not  support  the                                                               
economic  development  of  the resource,"  she  said.  Additional                                                               
demand  would  be required.  Without  having  a large  industrial                                                               
consumer  acting  as the  base  tenant,  the high  deliverability                                                               
swings and the  cost of gas to the local  utilities will increase                                                               
dramatically. She  said actions  should be  taken to  ensure that                                                               
new exploration, drilling and production  activity takes place in                                                               
Cook Inlet.  The state  should provide  the proper  fiscal, legal                                                               
and economic  incentive to  insure a natural  gas supply  to meet                                                               
the needs of consumers in Southcentral Alaska.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
1:48:44 PM                                                                                                                    
To  insure energy  reliability from  the supply  side, she  said,                                                               
Marathon believes that Cook Inlet  needs new investment, not only                                                               
in  new  production  projects,   but  also  gas  storage  peaking                                                               
facilities,  transmission infrastructure  and utility  redundancy                                                               
projects.  Companies  need  market  access,  effective  and  fair                                                               
regulation,  fiscal  certainty,   available  surface  access  and                                                               
reasonable  returns  that  enable  projects  to  compete  at  the                                                               
corporate level for finite funding.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
In this regard she offered the following:                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     First,   fiscal  incentives   and  predictability   are                                                                    
     necessary to compensate for project  risk and high cost                                                                    
     of exploration and development.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     Second,   state  statue   should  provide   clarity  on                                                                    
     regulation  jurisdiction,  and   procedures  should  be                                                                    
     well-defined. Current sales  to regulated utilities are                                                                    
     subject   to   unduly  burdensome   procedures.   These                                                                    
     procedures may  be well-intended, but in  our view have                                                                    
     been subjected to  inconsistent regulatory guidance and                                                                    
     have been  unduly influenced by a  number of provincial                                                                    
     commercial interveners with  narrow self-serving focus.                                                                    
     This  eliminates any  potential  for  reward for  risk-                                                                    
     taking, and as  a result places the public  at risk for                                                                    
     supply  reliability.  Undue   regulatory  demands  cost                                                                    
     companies and consumers, alike,  millions of dollars in                                                                    
     recent  years  without facilitating  long-term  natural                                                                    
     gas reliability.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     Three, companies  large and small  must have  access to                                                                    
     market   -    market-driven   pricing    entrance   and                                                                    
     transparency.  Contrary to  prior decades,  the current                                                                    
     environment  in Cook  Inlet is  no longer  conducive to                                                                    
     long-term  full deliverability  contracts. Projects  in                                                                    
     Alaska  must  compete   with  projects  world-wide  for                                                                    
     finite funding  on an annual  basis. To be  clear, this                                                                    
     means  companies  generally  invest  in  projects  that                                                                    
     provide the  best economic returns in  this competitive                                                                    
     environment and economic projects  are left unfunded in                                                                    
     today's environment.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     Four, winter  peak deliverability requirements  must be                                                                    
     fully  valued  to  facilitate storage  development  and                                                                    
     other peaking  mechanisms. Additional  storage projects                                                                    
     must  be developed  to provide  system flexibility  and                                                                    
     efficiency  in meeting  seasonal and  [indisc.] peaking                                                                    
     demands. The  best way to  make this happen is  to have                                                                    
     independent  storage development  where  real value  or                                                                    
     costs can be recognized in  the market place and in the                                                                    
     regulatory  process.  This  all   comes  out  of  costs                                                                    
     regardless  of  whether  the  deliverability  is  fully                                                                    
     utilized or  not. Unfortunately,  Marathon's experience                                                                    
     in the  APL-5 docket  demonstrated that  the commission                                                                    
     was  unable to  appropriately  recognize  the value  of                                                                    
     this service.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     Five, the Cook Inlet  has limited surface assets. Given                                                                    
     the  amount   of  federal   acreage  and   the  ongoing                                                                    
     uncertainty  with the  critical habitat  designation as                                                                    
     part of the Endangered  Species List, access to federal                                                                    
     acreage to explore for new  hydro-carbon deposits is an                                                                    
     option not  only to fill  the shorter-term  supply gap,                                                                    
     but also  should used as  comparator metric  for longer                                                                    
     term options such  as gas from the North  Slope. So, in                                                                    
     essence, it is  an access issue, and  without the land,                                                                    
     we  can't even  assess  for the  resource potential  as                                                                    
     defined by the DOE and USGS report.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     In  terms  of natural  gas  pricing,  there is  a  wide                                                                    
     divergence of  opinion. Assuming that the  other market                                                                    
     essentials  are  in  place, it  is  intuitive  that  if                                                                    
     natural gas prices  are too low over a  period of time,                                                                    
     the  result will  be  reduced  supply availability.  If                                                                    
     prices are  high over a  period of time -  for example,                                                                    
     if prices are  higher than the next  best alternative -                                                                    
     that will  result in further demand  destruction. It is                                                                    
     critical that we have an  environment where free market                                                                    
     forces are embraced.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     Insuring  energy  reliability  is also  a  function  of                                                                    
     demand  efficiency.  The   state  must  provide  proper                                                                    
     incentives  and   regulatory  oversight   to  encourage                                                                    
     energy efficiency  and conservation,  such as  at power                                                                    
     plant efficiency  projects, energy  diversification and                                                                    
     consumer  conservation.   Consumer  conservation  isn't                                                                    
     highlighted in Mr. Zager's talk,  and that is something                                                                    
     that  has pretty  immediate response,  more so  than an                                                                    
     exploration project.  So, I believe  conservation plays                                                                    
     an  important  role  in  this,  certainly  during  peak                                                                    
     winter demand.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     In the light  of the current situation,  we continue to                                                                    
     recommend that  the total local utilities  install dual                                                                    
     firing   capabilities   at  the   proposed   generation                                                                    
     projects  at  the  very  least   to  meet  peak  demand                                                                    
     requirements.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     In   closing,  decades   of  abundant   supplies-driven                                                                    
     behaviors created expectations,  and perhaps influenced                                                                    
     the ability  to adapt. Maintaining the  status-quo will                                                                    
     have  unintended and  undesirable  consequences in  the                                                                    
     not-too-distant   future.    Peak   deliverability   is                                                                    
     declining  and   industrial  demand  continues   to  be                                                                    
     destroyed.  Stabilizing  and   maintaining  the  supply                                                                    
     reliability  will  not   be  possible  without  vision,                                                                    
     commitment,    cooperation,   collaboration,    process                                                                    
     efficiencies and  appropriate action by all.  It is not                                                                    
     an obligation  by one  party, nor  can one  party solve                                                                    
     the    problem   of    shared    demand   and    supply                                                                    
     responsibility. Together  we must establish  the proper                                                                    
     regulatory  framework  and  incentives to  attract  new                                                                    
     investment for exploration,  development and production                                                                    
     of natural gas. Simultaneously,  we must provide proper                                                                    
     incentives  and regulatory  oversight  to drive  energy                                                                    
     efficiency and conservation.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     We at Marathon have a  long-standing commitment to be a                                                                    
     good partner with  industry, government, regulators and                                                                    
     community  to  help   find  and  implement  appropriate                                                                    
     solutions  to challenge  we all  face. We  have been  a                                                                    
     major provider  of energy  to the  local market  for 55                                                                    
     years and  we are the  largest natural gas  producer in                                                                    
     the  Cook  Inlet.  We  have  always  reliably  met  our                                                                    
     contractual obligations to our  customers in Cook Inlet                                                                    
     and we  will continue to  do so. The corollary  of this                                                                    
     is  that  we have  not  and  will  not take  on  supply                                                                    
     obligations which we cannot meet.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
1:54:42 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR WAGONER  said they negotiated  two contracts in  the last                                                               
7-8 years that had been disallowed  by the RCA, and he asked what                                                               
the terms of the first contract  were and what the gas would have                                                               
been sold for.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MS. LOCKHARD  replied that she  didn't have the exact  terms, but                                                               
it was a 60 bcf contract  over a ten-year period which would have                                                               
met all of  Enstar's unmet needs at that time.  That was based on                                                               
a Henry Hub price, a precedent  the Chevron contract set a couple                                                               
of years earlier. That contract  was declined because of the ties                                                               
to Henry  Hub, because  at that  time the RCA  felt that  was not                                                               
appropriate pricing.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
They went back to the Commission  with a 38 bcf contract for five                                                               
years, and  this time it  had a different pricing  mechanism; but                                                               
again  it was  disapproved, so  that left  a significant  gap for                                                               
Enstar.  Since then,  they are  working under  an 8  bcf two-year                                                               
contract  and  [indisc.]  pricing  that  didn't  need  Commission                                                               
approval.  She said  a two-year  contract makes  it difficult  to                                                               
engage in exploration because it  doesn't provide the proper line                                                               
of sight for  the security of being  able to get rid  of the gas.                                                               
In  addition, they  have  nothing  to show  after  five years  of                                                               
negotiation  for their  efforts,  which has  literally cost  them                                                               
millions.  It  has  taken  a  toll  on  their  plans  as  far  as                                                               
development goes.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
1:56:44 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  WAGONER  stated  that ConocoPhillips  testified  earlier                                                               
that  it  cost  them  an  average of  $45  million  to  drill  an                                                               
exploratory well, and he asked if it was the same for Marathon.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MS. LOCKHARD replied  that their costs are different  as they are                                                               
with  many companies.  It depends  on what  fields you  are in  -                                                               
offshore,  onshore, and  what  type of  completions  you need  to                                                               
install. They  have invested nearly  a half-billion  dollars over                                                               
the past  six years in  Cook Inlet for  about 60 wells.  So, it's                                                               
$8-10   million.   It's  not   just   about   wells  costs,   but                                                               
infrastructure - compression and maintenance.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR FRENCH asked if they are  still going to drill four wells                                                               
this year.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MS. LOCKHARD  replied yes;  that is an  average of  40-60 percent                                                               
reduction in number of wells they typically drill in a year.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR FRENCH said  one of the drawbacks of this  format is that                                                               
the RCA  doesn't get to  respond to some  of the things  she said                                                               
now, but  they would  get a  chance later. One  of the  things he                                                               
thought  they would  say about  setting the  contract prices   is                                                               
that they  have recommended  to the  legislature that  it explore                                                               
more deeply what  Marathon's actual cost of  production is, since                                                               
it  is sort  of one  of  the hidden  elements in  Cook Inlet  gas                                                               
pricing.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
1:59:01 PM                                                                                                                    
MS.  LOCKHARD replied  that  the value  of gas  is  not based  on                                                               
costs, but  on the next  best alternative, and "That's  where the                                                               
focus needs to be." She is  not convinced that any business would                                                               
open their books  to make direct comparisons  to the competitors.                                                               
Business just doesn't work that way.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Her   portfolio   is   very    different   from   Chevron's   and                                                               
ConocoPhillips'. Ninety percent of her  gas is from wells drilled                                                               
over the past  decade in a very high cost  environment. The focus                                                               
needs to  be on value and  not on costs, because  it doesn't work                                                               
that way.  What she gets from  her projects have to  compete with                                                               
those in equatorial Ghana, and Texas and the Rockies.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR FRENCH asked if he was  to compare Cook Inlet natural gas                                                               
to hydro  power developed  by the Chakachamna  Dam, how  could he                                                               
know  she wasn't  setting natural  gas  prices a  penny above  or                                                               
below that  without knowing what it  costs to get the  gas out of                                                               
the ground.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS.  LOCKHARD  replied  she  had  no idea  what  hydro  or  other                                                               
alternatives cost, but  she said that reports are  out there that                                                               
provide general data to the industries.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR WIELECHOWSKI asked if it's  just not affordable to drill                                                               
for gas in Cook Inlet or does it have limited gas resource.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS.  LOCKHARD  replied  that Cook  Inlet  has  opportunities,  no                                                               
doubt,  but they  are limited  because of  access. She  explained                                                               
that their supply has been from  wells drilled in the 50s and 60s                                                               
and it is a by-product of oil production.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR WIELECHOWSKI asked  what kind of storage  is needed, and                                                               
if they have storage to lease or sell to Enstar.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MS. LOCKHARD replied  that they have developed  storage for their                                                               
proprietary interest  so they could  execute on  their contracts.                                                               
It would be very difficult to open  it up to a third party due to                                                               
existing  commercial  arrangements.  Their  portfolio  has  other                                                               
opportunities  that are  likely storage  candidates. All  options                                                               
should be on  the table both above and below  ground. But this is                                                               
not a producer issue; it is  a utility issue to service customers                                                               
unless  Marathon   agrees  to   take  on   more  full-requirement                                                               
contracts, which would be difficult for them to do.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
2:03:24 PM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR  WIELECHOWSKI asked  when  Marathon decides  it is  more                                                               
profitable  to drill  somewhere  else, and  they  don't drill  on                                                               
leases that  they own in  Cook Inlet, do  they give them  back to                                                               
the state.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MS.  LOCKHARD  replied  that  Marathon has  no  leases  with  the                                                               
exception of one drilling obligation  where they will be engaging                                                               
in an  exploration well at  the end of the  year if they  can get                                                               
the final approvals.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR MCGUIRE  asked if Marathon  would take advantage  of tax                                                               
credits for capital investment in storage.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MS. LOCKHARD replied  that it would be considered,  but she would                                                               
have to look at where the opportunities lie.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
2:04:38 PM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR MCGUIRE asked how the  tax incentives the state put into                                                               
place for Cook Inlet five years  ago have worked out and asked if                                                               
she would be looking for more of an incentive.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Ms. LOCKHARD  answered that  five years  ago the  environment was                                                               
very different;  now there is more  a sense of urgency  to engage                                                               
in further exploration and development.  Some companies have been                                                               
able to take advantage of  the incentive and have helped Marathon                                                               
to  successfully get  projects through  the corporate  hurdles in                                                               
Ninilchik.  Carrying that  forward would  be very  beneficial for                                                               
all of them.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
2:06:08 PM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR WIELECHOWSKI asked how having  a big enough market for a                                                               
big find could be remedied.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS. LOCKHARD replied  that is a good question;  the whole overall                                                               
market structure has  a problem. The regulatory  process could be                                                               
changed, but she  said she would have to do  more thinking on it.                                                               
Having negotiated  contracts with  utilities declined by  the RCA                                                               
is an impediment to having free market choices.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR MCGUIRE asked if she  considered adding another ship for                                                               
their LNG facility.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MS. LOCKHARD  replied that  they had  two ships  in the  past and                                                               
just recently  went down to  one, but  it is an  ongoing question                                                               
with their partners, ConocoPhillips.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR MCGUIRE asked  if she knew that FERC  just permitted the                                                               
first LNG receiving  terminal on the West Coast in  a decade - in                                                               
Oregon. Some  of them  just had discussions  about how  to expand                                                               
Alaska's market and know from FERC  and DOE that they will not be                                                               
approving export  licenses out  of the  country, but  she thought                                                               
Oregon might be a market for Marathon.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MS. LOCKHARD  responded that  other legalities  would have  to be                                                               
explored  to  make  that  happen,  and she  leaves  that  to  her                                                               
marketing group.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  WIELECHOWSKI said  he was  interested in  all of  their                                                               
ideas about how  they could streamline the  regulatory process or                                                               
encourage storage.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
^Aurora Gas, LLC - Bruce Webb                                                                                                   
                  Aurora Gas, LLC - Bruce Webb                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
2:09:25 PM                                                                                                                    
BRUCE  WEBB, Manager,  Land and  Regulatory Affairs,  Aurora Gas,                                                               
LLC,  said  from  Aurora's  perspective  the  problem  is  fairly                                                               
simple:                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     Available gas  is decreasing to  levels that  will fail                                                                    
     to  meet demand  in  the near  future  and despite  the                                                                    
     obvious need for more  supply, the investment necessary                                                                    
     to  avoid shortages  are not  being made.  By available                                                                    
     supply I mean proven  reserves, reserves that have been                                                                    
     drilled and are  available to be sold  into the market.                                                                    
     This  should  not  be  confused  with  total  reserves.                                                                    
     Numerous studies  have estimated tremendous  amounts of                                                                    
     natural gas  that remain  in the  Cook Inlet.  They are                                                                    
     not  available  until  someone invests  the  money  and                                                                    
     takes the  risk to  drill them.  Alaska is  reported to                                                                    
     have more oil  and gas resources than  any other state;                                                                    
     yet  we  consistently  have the  lowest  operating  rig                                                                    
     count in the country.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     Two  weeks  ago the  Cook  Inlet  areawide lease  sales                                                                    
     produced one  of the  most dismal  results ever  in the                                                                    
     history of such  lease sales with bids on  only four of                                                                    
     the  815  tracts  available,  a mere  7,000  of  the  4                                                                    
     million  acres  that  were  offered.  Not  one  of  the                                                                    
     existing  operators   in  the  Cook   Inlet,  including                                                                    
     Aurora,  bid  on  any  tracts. In  fact,  none  of  the                                                                    
     apparent high bidders had  an exploration or production                                                                    
     history at all.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     Recent announcements indicate  that some companies with                                                                    
     operation  plans are  planning to  significantly reduce                                                                    
     their drilling  budgets. We have  to ask  ourselves why                                                                    
     with such  obvious need  for more  natural gas  in Cook                                                                    
     Inlet in a geologic  basin with considerable additional                                                                    
     reserves  waiting to  be explored  and developed  is no                                                                    
     one  buying leases  or trying  to drill  a gas  well on                                                                    
     state land.  Aurora submits for your  consideration the                                                                    
     following reasons:                                                                                                         
     1. Lack of access to market                                                                                                
     2. Lack of adequate financial incentive                                                                                    
     3. Lack of access to the resource                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Access  to  the  market is  limited  contractually  and                                                                    
     physically.  For  the  entire history  of  natural  gas                                                                    
     production  in  the  Cook Inlet  the  market  has  been                                                                    
     dominated  by relatively  few  players, utilities,  and                                                                    
     major  producers.   With  the  luxury  of   market  and                                                                    
     oversupply, utilities were  constantly able to contract                                                                    
     for  supply many  years in  advance  for the  contracts                                                                    
     that obligated the  major producers to meet  all of the                                                                    
     utilities  requirements.  In  exchange,  the  producers                                                                    
     expected  to sell  all of  their gas  that the  utility                                                                    
     required.  These  are  to  so-called  'full-requirement                                                                    
     contracts.'                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Full  requirement contracts  are  the two-edged  sword.                                                                    
     They  provide   the  utility  with  the   badly  needed                                                                    
     security of  supply and they provide  the producer with                                                                    
     the  economic  incentive  to  drill  and  produce  gas.                                                                    
     However,  they  also  close  the  market  to  potential                                                                    
     competition  thereby  setting   the  stage  for  future                                                                    
     shortages.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     Recent   contracting   between  utilities   and   major                                                                    
     producers  have  trended away  from  full-requirements.                                                                    
     With the contracts currently in  place, we are still in                                                                    
     a  situation  whereby a  new  company  that desires  to                                                                    
     drill for gas  in the Cook Inlet has  no assurance that                                                                    
     they can sell  their gas for several years  out if they                                                                    
     are  successful  in finding  it.  Unlike  the Lower  48                                                                    
     states, there  is no  spot market for  gas in  the Cook                                                                    
     Inlet. Therefore, we are  compounding the geologic risk                                                                    
     of drilling with development and commercial risk.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     In addition to the  contractual barriers to the market,                                                                    
     there  are also  physical barriers  to the  market. The                                                                    
     same network  of a utilities  and major  producers that                                                                    
     control the gas contracts  also operate and control the                                                                    
     pipeline infrastructure  in Cook Inlet.  Their reaction                                                                    
     to the shrinking  supply situation in Cook  Inlet is to                                                                    
     tighten-down  the  system  with   more  rules  for  the                                                                    
     delivery of  gas. Aurora  believes that  tariffs should                                                                    
     protect  the   integrity  of   the  pipeline   and  its                                                                    
     reliability  of service.  However,  the  rules need  to                                                                    
     make sense  and not serve to  discourage additional new                                                                    
     resources  of gas  coming into  the  system. The  rules                                                                    
     should not  create a playground  whereby only  a select                                                                    
     few  players   get  to  play   in  it.  We   need  more                                                                    
     flexibility in the system, not less.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     The lack  of adequate financial incentives  can also be                                                                    
     described  as  price  uncertainty.  None of  us  has  a                                                                    
     crystal ball that  tells us what the prices  will be in                                                                    
     the  future,  but  in Alaska  the  situation  is  worse                                                                    
     because we  can't even agree on  an appropriate pricing                                                                    
     mechanism  for   the  gas.   This  situation   must  be                                                                    
     resolved.   Alaska's  Cook   Inlet  is   a  high   cost                                                                    
     environment and natural gas exploration  is a high risk                                                                    
     proposition.  The Cook  Inlet Basin  is competing  with                                                                    
     other basins  around the country and  around the world,                                                                    
     and  they compete  for a  limited amount  of investment                                                                    
     dollars. Those dollars will simply  go elsewhere if the                                                                    
     basin doesn't  yield competitive reserves  that provide                                                                    
     the explorer the adequate financial incentives.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
2:15:00 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     Low prices benefit  the consumers, but if  they are too                                                                    
     low,  the   benefit  only  lasts  for   a  short  term.                                                                    
     Ultimately they will pay the  price associated with the                                                                    
     lack of  supply because drilling will  cease. The state                                                                    
     has  the  ability  to  offer  financial  incentives  to                                                                    
     encourage additional drilling in  the Cook Inlet. These                                                                    
     incentives can be structured in  a variety of ways, but                                                                    
     they  must be  clear and  easy to  administer. All  too                                                                    
     often   well-intentioned  incentives   passed  by   the                                                                    
     legislature are  complicated subject  to interpretation                                                                    
     and administration  by and agency whose  primary job is                                                                    
     to protect  the state's  interests. This makes  it very                                                                    
     difficult for the explorer or  producer to actually get                                                                    
     those incentives without a fight.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     The  third case  we  see  for the  lack  of Cook  Inlet                                                                    
     drilling is a  lack of access to  the resource. Similar                                                                    
     to the access to the market,  the lack of access to the                                                                    
     resource  also   has  both  contractual   and  physical                                                                    
     aspects.  Contractually the  lack  of access  manifests                                                                    
     itself in  the regulatory  and permitting  process. For                                                                    
     many years the industry  has been united and consistent                                                                    
     in its  pleas to the  state for easier access  to lands                                                                    
     for  purposes  of   exploration  and  development.  The                                                                    
     state's  permitting   process  is   overly  burdensome,                                                                    
     onerous and  expensive. It serves only  to incent those                                                                    
     seeking to drill wells.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     It seems to us that the  message from the top levels of                                                                    
     government,  that  is  we are  open  for  business  and                                                                    
     drill,  baby,  drill  simply do  not  get  communicated                                                                    
     effectively  into  the  trenches of  the  few  specific                                                                    
     agencies  charged with  permitting  and overseeing  oil                                                                    
     and  gas   exploration  and  development.   Aurora  has                                                                    
     experienced  several   recent  unreasonable  permitting                                                                    
     snags which  have only served  to delay  and discourage                                                                    
     our desire to drill for  natural gas on state lands. In                                                                    
     one  case   our  application   to  permit   a  one-acre                                                                    
     temporary gravel pad, which  is immediately adjacent to                                                                    
     the existing  gravel road known as  the Beluga Highway,                                                                    
     and in an areas surrounded  by four other producing gas                                                                    
     fields  between the  Enstar  Pipeline  and the  Chugach                                                                    
     Electric Power  lines was denies  on the basis  that it                                                                    
     would cause  an unacceptable impact to  the coastal use                                                                    
     and  resources resulting  in  an  irreparable level  of                                                                    
     damage to the peat bog  habitat. This one-acre pad sits                                                                    
     amidst the  270,000 acre state  game refuge.  Aurora is                                                                    
     now faced  with the probability of  the leases expiring                                                                    
     and  the  associated  potential gas  reserves  totaling                                                                    
     approximately  70 bcf  going undrilled.  Alternatively,                                                                    
     had we had  the funding earlier, we  could have drilled                                                                    
     the well in  the winter time at  a significantly higher                                                                    
     cost  and subjecting  our crews  to  harsher less  safe                                                                    
     work conditions.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     In  a  more  pressing   example,  Aurora  is  extremely                                                                    
     frustrated with our current efforts  to permit the next                                                                    
     well in  our exploration  development plans  at Nikolai                                                                    
     Creek number  11. As  a result we  are forced  to drill                                                                    
     another well on  CIRI land and after that  well, we may                                                                    
     be  forced to  stack  the rigs  until  the Division  of                                                                    
     Coastal  and Ocean  Management  can  complete a  50-day                                                                    
     review process.  That review process  has not  even yet                                                                    
     begun.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     While it  is probably  not appropriate  to get  too far                                                                    
     into the  specifics of this permit  application in this                                                                    
     forum,  we  stand  willing to  provide  you  with  more                                                                    
     details if you are so  interested. Cook Inlet needs new                                                                    
     exploration; we  can no longer  simply rely  on infield                                                                    
     drilling  of existing  reservoirs to  keep up  with the                                                                    
     long-term  demand.  The   permitting  process  must  be                                                                    
     streamlined and  managed by  people who  understand the                                                                    
     big  picture.  Physically the  lack  of  access to  the                                                                    
     resource  results  in  a  lack  of  infrastructure  and                                                                    
     appropriate  access to  areas  with prior  disturbance.                                                                    
     Explorers need roads and bridges  and areas adjacent to                                                                    
     existing   roads   and   areas   with   prior   surface                                                                    
     development need  to be opened for  exploration. Any of                                                                    
     the   prospective  lands   are  either   difficult  and                                                                    
     expensive  to  reach  or   burdened  by  excessive  and                                                                    
     unreasonable restrictions.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
2:19:40 PM                                                                                                                    
     Aurora's  operations are  approximately  60 miles  from                                                                    
     Anchorage,  and  we  have to  barge  or  fly  virtually                                                                    
     everything and everyone  in and out. We  could give you                                                                    
     specific  recommendations about  road and  bridges, but                                                                    
     that would be selfish and  specific to our case. That's                                                                    
     why   under  reasonable   restrictions   I  sight   the                                                                    
     mismanagement of  the Susitna Flats State  Game Refuge,                                                                    
     specifically  in  and   around  the  Beluga  industrial                                                                    
     development. The general idea I  want to leave with you                                                                    
     is that throughout Cook Inlet  if there were more roads                                                                    
     and  bridges, and  less restrictions  it would  lead to                                                                    
     more drilling and natural gas suppliers.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     Aurora  Gas  is committed  to  its  ongoing efforts  to                                                                    
     develop  and produce  natural gas  in  the Cook  Inlet.                                                                    
     Alaska  needs more  companies like  Aurora Gas  and the                                                                    
     state needs  to incentivize  us and others  to continue                                                                    
     this effort.                                                                                                               
     1. We need contractual access to the market. We need to                                                                    
        know if we are successful in the search for natural                                                                     
        gas that we won't have to wait for years to sell the                                                                    
        gas.                                                                                                                    
     2. Physical access  to  the  market.  Pipeline  tariffs                                                                    
        should be structured in a manner that does not                                                                          
        provide advantage to existing players and makes it                                                                      
       difficult for new smaller players to deliver gas.                                                                        
     3. Adequate financial incentives. Clear pricing signals                                                                    
        that  encourage   companies   to   take  the   risks                                                                    
        associated for drilling gas.                                                                                            
     4. Contractual access  to the  resource. More  flexible                                                                    
        lease terms,  a  streamlined centralized  permitting                                                                    
        process  managed  by   agency  personnel   that  can                                                                    
        adequately  waive  the  need  for  proper  oversight                                                                    
        balanced by  the urgency  and  benefit of  promoting                                                                    
        additional drilling instead of discouraging it.                                                                         
     5. Physical access  to  the  resource.  New  roads  and                                                                    
        bridges are ways that oil and gas exploration can be                                                                    
        made  more  attractive.  Access   to  lands  without                                                                    
        unreasonable restrictions are a must.                                                                                   
     6. Gas storage.  We note  that  gas storage  is on  the                                                                    
        committee's agenda this afternoon. We  wanted to let                                                                    
        you know that  Aurora Gas  is actively  pursuing the                                                                    
        storage project  at our  Nikolai Creek  unit on  the                                                                    
        west side of  the Cook Inlet.  Preliminary technical                                                                    
        review by our consultants  has revealed that  we do,                                                                    
        in fact, have  a viable  reservoir conducive  to gas                                                                    
        storage operations. We  plan to present  a technical                                                                    
        presentation  of  the  project   to  all  interested                                                                    
        parties in the near  future and assess  the interest                                                                    
        level of the third parties that may be interested in                                                                    
        contracting for  the storage  services. Aurora  does                                                                    
        not yet have a  gas storage lease with  the State of                                                                    
        Alaska that would give us the  right to move forward                                                                    
        with the  project,  but  we  are  working  with  the                                                                    
        Department of Natural Resources to obtain such lease                                                                    
        terms  comparable   to  those   extended  to   other                                                                    
        producers in  the  Cook  Inlet that  have  developed                                                                    
        storage units.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     The  extent to  which our  project  may or  may not  be                                                                    
     subject  to regulation  by the  RCA is  being evaluated                                                                    
     and we  certainly intend to  keep them informed  on our                                                                    
     progress along the way.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
^Armstrong Oil and Gas - Ed Kerr, Vice President, Land and                                                                      
Business Development                                                                                                            
   Armstrong Oil and Gas - Ed Kerr, Vice President, Land and                                                                
                      Business Development                                                                                  
                                                                                                                              
2:24:04 PM                                                                                                                    
ED KERR, Vice President, Land and Business Development,                                                                         
Armstrong Cook Inlet, a subsidiary of Armstrong Oil and Gas,                                                                    
said  this issue  is the  highest priority  for the  RCA, Chugach                                                               
Electric, Enstar, the Legislature and so many more.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR. KERR  said that  while he  was going  to sound  redundant, he                                                               
felt  it was  important  for  legislators to  get  a true  cross-                                                               
section  of   outlooks  from  various  entities   with  differing                                                               
perspectives.   "In  order   to  be   successful  in   increasing                                                               
production  within  the Cook  Inlet  I  believe  it will  take  a                                                               
concerted  effort   from  multiple  disciplines   within  various                                                               
companies and agencies."                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
He  listed  the  following  key parameters  or  issues  that  are                                                               
stumbling blocks to increasing production in the Cook Inlet:                                                                    
   1. The reality that recoverable reserves on a per well basis                                                                 
     have been consistently shrinking over  the past 50 years. It                                                               
     is difficult  to quantify  the severity  and impact  of this                                                               
     decline until it has already occurred.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
As evidence  of this they  used an IHS  data set to  make certain                                                               
observations. His  slide showed  that during  the 1960s  the peak                                                               
four-year  production for  gas wells  drilled resulted  in a  gas                                                               
recovery  of 11.9  bcf/per well.  During the  1980s the  peak gas                                                               
production  for all  wells  drilled resulted  in  a gas  recovery                                                               
during the same period of  5.1 bcf/per well. During the timeframe                                                               
of 2000-2008  the peak four-year  gas production was  3.2 bcf/per                                                               
well.  The conclusion  they reached  is  that it  is taking  more                                                               
wells  to obtain  fewer reserves.  Obviously, more  wells require                                                               
more capital to explore, find and produce gas.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. KERR  stated that Cook Inlet  has some of the  best gas wells                                                               
in the  world, but they are  now very old and  declining rapidly.                                                               
New  gas wells  are much  smaller, and  as such,  more wells  are                                                               
needed to achieve substantive increases in production.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
2:27:31 PM                                                                                                                    
   2. Next issue they identified is there simply are not enough                                                                 
     companies  looking  for  gas in  Cook  Inlet.  Ninety  eight                                                               
     percent of gas within the  Cook Inlet is produced from wells                                                               
     operated by  just three  companies. This  gives such  a high                                                               
     concentration  risk for  so  much of  the  reserve base.  He                                                               
     hastened   to   add   that  Chevron/Texaco,   Marathon   and                                                               
     ConocoPhillips  have  done  an  excellent  job  there;  they                                                               
     represent the best  of the best. The fact that  they are not                                                               
     drilling more  wells is purely  a function of this  area not                                                               
     providing them with  the rate of return  that is competitive                                                               
     with  their  other   opportunities  for  capital  investment                                                               
     across the world.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
2:28:27 PM                                                                                                                    
   3. A lack of wells being drilled in Cook Inlet - 1,298 wells                                                                 
     have been  drilled. Their  opinion is that  Cook Inlet  is a                                                               
     vastly  underexplored  province  and with  good  signs  that                                                               
     there is a  tremendous amount of gas yet to  be found in the                                                               
     area.   In 2007 according  to IHS a  total of 14  wells were                                                               
     drilled  by three  operators in  Cook Inlet.  Conversely two                                                               
     similar basins within the Lower  48 show a much higher level                                                               
     of activity. In  the San Juan Basin a total  of 45,884 wells                                                               
     have been  drilled to  date; and 999  wells were  drilled in                                                               
     2007  by 56  different operators.  In the  Big Horn  Basin a                                                               
     total of  14,080 have been  drilled; 107 wells  were drilled                                                               
     in 2007 by 17 different operators.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Finally he  said the combination of  higher costs due to  a lower                                                               
number  of wells  being drilled,  smaller reserve  size on  a per                                                               
well  basis,  wide  swings  in production  due  to  realities  of                                                               
Alaska's climate  and challenging  prices dictate  that something                                                               
new must be done to avert the decline in gas production.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
2:30:17 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. KERR said their opinion is that the solution is drilling                                                                    
more wells, especially exploration wells. They believe it can                                                                   
only be achieved by the following:                                                                                              
   1. Increasing the price paid for the commodity. Ultimately all                                                               
     oil   companies   are   driven  by   economics,   especially                                                               
     independents who  make up over  90 percent of the  gas wells                                                               
     being  drilled in  the  U.S. today.  Oil  companies must  be                                                               
     incentivized  to   take  the  risk  of   exploring  for  and                                                               
     producing natural gas in the Cook Inlet.                                                                                   
   2. Considering additional tax incentives - although he thought                                                               
     the State of Alaska has already  done a good job of creating                                                               
     a favorable tax  environment for the Cook Inlet -  but it is                                                               
     a  way of  enhancing the  economics for  companies and  that                                                               
     ultimately drives what will get wells drilled.                                                                             
   3. Streamlining approval of gas contracts. The RCA is in a                                                                   
     difficult situation in needing  to approve gas contracts and                                                               
     looking  over the  best interests  of Alaskans,  but somehow                                                               
     companies  need  to know  that  they  can get  an  agreement                                                               
     approved  in  a  timely  manner so  that  the  logistics  of                                                               
     permitting, shooting geophysical  data, obtaining rights-of-                                                               
     way and  necessary equipment, procuring  drilling contracts,                                                               
     purchasing tubular,  mud and  all of  the other  things that                                                               
     come into play when drilling  and producing gas wells can be                                                               
     done as  efficiently as possible.  If companies do  not feel                                                               
     they can get a gas contract approved, no one will develop                                                                  
     the huge reserve potential in the Cook Inlet.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
2:32:08 PM                                                                                                                    
At ease                                                                                                                         
^Escopeta  Oil  Company -  Bruce  Webb,  spoke for  Danny  Davis,                                                               
Consultant                                                                                                                      
   Escopeta Oil Company - Bruce Webb, spoke for Danny Davis,                                                                
                           Consultant                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:38:33 PM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR WIELECHOWSKI called the meeting back to order at 2:38.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
BRUCE  WEBB, Manager,  Land and  Regulatory Affairs,  Aurora Gas,                                                               
said he  is also  the owner  of the  Webb Petroleum  Service that                                                               
provides consulting  to independents  like Escopeta  Oil, Pacific                                                               
Energy Resources and  Fox Petroleum. He is also  the President of                                                               
Webb  Exploration and  Production and  holds three  offshore Cook                                                               
Inlet leases.  Prior to becoming  an employee for Aurora  Gas, he                                                               
worked  for 20  years for  the State  of Alaska,  11 of  which he                                                               
spent in  the Division  of Oil and  Gas in  lease administration,                                                               
permitting  and  compliance.  Before  that he  spent  five  years                                                               
working on  drilling rigs  on the  North Slope  and on  the Kenai                                                               
Peninsula.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
He said  there are  currently only  five natural  gas exploration                                                               
well plans in the Cook Inlet  on state lands; two are with Aurora                                                               
Gas, two  are with  Fox Petroleum  and one  is with  Escopeta Oil                                                               
Company. He  prepared all  five of  those permits.  In permitting                                                               
these exploration  wells it was  his goal  to have an  arch going                                                               
across the Cook Inlet following  the Enstar natural gas pipeline.                                                               
By  permitting  several wells  in  sequence  explorers can  share                                                               
certain   things  like   drilling  fluids,   cost  of   ice  road                                                               
construction, and things  of that nature. Of the  five wells that                                                               
are currently  in the  process of  being approved  or permitting,                                                               
four of them  have been stalled in the ACMP  process. The Nikolai                                                               
Creek  11 wells,  which Aurora  was planning  to drill  after its                                                               
current  well  is  held  up with  technicalities  in  the  review                                                               
process.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
The Hanna  well's special  area permit, which  is in  the Susitna                                                               
Flats State  Game Refuge,  has already  been denied.  The Coastal                                                               
Management Program  has considered the  denial of that  permit as                                                               
an insufficient application,  so they are refusing  to start that                                                               
permit review.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Fox Petroleum's  Two Catchers'  Mitt Prospects  - the  Grand Slam                                                               
and the Home  Run - are also  stalled in the ACMP  process.  That                                                               
leaves  only one  well, Escopeta's  North Alexander,  and it  was                                                               
permitted last year in March; but  Escopeta is not going to drill                                                               
that well  unless they  can do cost  sharing agreements  with Fox                                                               
Petroleum  on the  expensive cost  of the  ice road.  That leaves                                                               
zero; and no  other exploration wells are planned  on state lands                                                               
for natural gas in the Cook  Inlet. They just need the process to                                                               
work a little better.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  WAGONER said  that Escopeta  has said  for years  it was                                                               
going to bring a floating drill  rig to the Kitchens Unit, and he                                                               
asked  what the  status is  of them  getting together  with other                                                               
people in the Cook Inlet with that drill rig.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. WEBB answered that the  DNR had coordinated the Corsair Unit,                                                               
the  Kitchen  Unit   and  the  Northern  Lights   Unit  into  one                                                               
consolidated unit which is going  to be called the Kitchen Lights                                                               
Unit. The application is in  the process of getting approved this                                                               
month. Danny  is getting the  other investors necessary  to bring                                                               
the  jack-up rig  to  the Cook  Inlet to  start  drilling in  the                                                               
Kitchen  Lights  Unit;  he  has  the  Jones  Act  waiver  and  is                                                               
negotiating  a  couple  of  drilling   rig  contracts.  Costs  of                                                               
contracts on  drilling rigs are  going up  in the Gulf  of Mexico                                                               
because of  the economy. The current  plan is that by  March 2010                                                               
the drilling  rig will be  on its way to  the Cook Inlet  and the                                                               
first  well  needs  to  be  drilled  according  to  the  plan  of                                                               
exploration by December 2010.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
2:44:51 PM                                                                                                                    
At ease                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
^DNR/Office  of  the Governor  -  Kevin  Banks, Acting  Director,                                                               
Division of Oil and Gas                                                                                                         
   DNR/Office of the Governor - Kevin Banks, Acting Director,                                                               
                    Division of Oil and Gas                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
3:01:57 PM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR WIELECHOWSKI called the meeting back to order at 3:01.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
KEVIN  BANKS,   Acting  Director,   Division  of  Oil   and  Gas,                                                               
Department of  Natural Resources  (DNR), showed  a slide  of what                                                               
would  happen   to  production   in  Cook   Inlet  with   no  new                                                               
exploration. It is what is  called "the waterfall slide." He said                                                               
the blue  line showed how peak  demand is satisfied in  the Inlet                                                               
while the average production for  the year is considerably lower.                                                               
A forecast  of demand  is the black  line that  indicates current                                                               
production  at  140 mmcf/day  now,  assuming  after 2011  no  new                                                               
exports are licensed.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
3:04:54 PM                                                                                                                    
The P1 reserves are based  on the productivity of existing wells;                                                               
behind the  pipe reserves (P2)  are reserves that  are accessible                                                               
from  existing gas  fields, but  need further  investment in  new                                                               
drilling. Most  of the gas  production in the past  several years                                                               
has been drawn from these kinds of reserves.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. BANKS  said a  possible 470  bcf of gas  is available  in the                                                               
Cook  Inlet. Folks  are drilling  today and  converting P1  to P2                                                               
kinds of  reserves to  meet their commitments  to the  Cook Inlet                                                               
consumers. The division  is revising these graphs  and is working                                                               
with the DGGS to quantify  potential undiscovered resources. They                                                               
want to  target incentives to  the resources where  the economics                                                               
play out. As that information  is developed, they engage with the                                                               
producers about costs. They have had a few meetings already.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
It is  fair to say  he is  sensitive to Carri  Lockhard's remarks                                                               
that cost represents  part of the equation  for calculating price                                                               
and he  has to accommodate for  the fact that risks  are involved                                                               
so that  the cost of  a single well  does not represent  what the                                                               
cost of an exploration play may really be.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
He said that  the Cook Inlet is  fairly deep - 25,000  ft. at the                                                               
deepest place, and a lot of  oil has been developed on both sides                                                               
of  it.  Federal  lands  are   not  accessible  to  oil  and  gas                                                               
development  within  the  Inlet.  CIRI land  includes  a  lot  of                                                               
subsurface underneath  the Kenai  Wildlife Refuge; U.S.  Fish and                                                               
Wildlife owns  the surface. Some  land is owned by  Mental Health                                                               
and  the University;  some is  now owned  by the  Beluga Habitat,                                                               
another influence  from outside of the  state determining whether                                                               
surface  access  can be  attained.  The  areas  in the  Knik  and                                                               
Turnagain  Arms have  critical habitat  rules  that prohibit  any                                                               
kind  of surface  entry. So,  not  a lot  of acreage  is left  in                                                               
prospective areas.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
3:13:38 PM                                                                                                                    
The disappointing  last lease  sale where  only four  leases were                                                               
acquired happened because  little acreage has come  back into the                                                               
market  as leases  have  turned,  and because  some  of the  most                                                               
prospective  areas are  already  under lease.  Some  of the  most                                                               
prospective areas in the Cook Inlet lie under federal control.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
3:14:42 PM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR  WIELECHOWSKI   asked  if  companies   are  aggressively                                                               
exploring on areas already leased.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
3:15:55 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  BANKS replied  that they  just heard  Mr. Webb  describe the                                                               
wells he is trying  to drill and how most of  them are being held                                                               
up and how  Ms. Lockhard is meeting their commitments.  Not a lot                                                               
of  exploration  is   going  on  in  the  Cook   Inlet  to  bring                                                               
undiscovered resource into a reserve.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR WIELECHOWSKI asked  what efforts the state  is making to                                                               
make sure the lessees are meeting their obligations to develop.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. BANKS answered  that the state had done "a  pretty good job."                                                               
The Kitchens Unit  is an example of converting what  seemed to be                                                               
an intractable situation where investment  money from a couple of                                                               
companies  is drying  up.  Escopeta is  committed  to bringing  a                                                               
jack-up rig into  the Cook Inlet to begin exploring  there. He is                                                               
planning to  drill by December 31,  2010, but he has  also made a                                                               
commitment to drill a well each year after that for four wells.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR WIELECHOWSKI asked  if he agreed with  the criticisms of                                                               
the regulatory and permitting processes.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR.  BANKS said  that  was difficult  to  answer; the  department                                                               
tries  to  be as  progressive  as  it  can,  but Cook  Inlet  has                                                               
resource conflicts everywhere.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
3:18:31 PM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR WIELECHOWSKI  asked to what  extent his division  or the                                                               
department deals  with storage issues.  Do further steps  need to                                                               
be taken to incentivize storage?                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. BANKS  answered they  have done a  couple of  things already.                                                               
Cook Inlet  already has  three storage  facilities on  state land                                                               
with  Marathon  and Chevron.  Chevron  also  has storage  in  the                                                               
Swanson  River field,  which is  a federal  property. Aurora  has                                                               
asked them for  storage in one of their units  and he is drafting                                                               
a lease that  would allow for a third-party use  of that storage,                                                               
an important advancement.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
3:20:27 PM                                                                                                                    
JOE   BALASH,  Intergovernmental   Coordinator,  Office   of  the                                                               
Governor,  briefed  them on  the  incentives  that are  currently                                                               
available  under   the  Alaska   tax  code.  Under   the  state's                                                               
production tax in  AS 43.55, there are  basically two functioning                                                               
components   that   help   drive  exploration   and   development                                                               
incentives; the deductions allowed  for single-year capital write                                                               
offs and the credit that may be claimed.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
How that works on the North  Slope, depending on what tax bracket                                                               
you are  in (if progressivity has  kicked in or not),  you get to                                                               
write off  capital expenditures  in a single  year, and  that has                                                               
the effect of  being a 25 percent incentive. If  you are into the                                                               
progressivity zone  above the trigger  price, that rate  could be                                                               
even higher.  This works for  the deduction side of  the equation                                                               
on the North Slope.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
On the credit side when  a capital expenditure is made, depending                                                               
upon the  area in which that  exploration target is -  seismic or                                                               
drilling - if it's far enough  away from existing wells or units,                                                               
it can qualify for as much as a  40 or 30 percent credit. Even if                                                               
it doesn't qualify  as an exploration credit under  the rules, it                                                               
would  still  be eligible  for  a  20 percent  qualified  capital                                                               
expenditure  credit  that is  available  not  only in  the  North                                                               
Slope, but also in the Cook Inlet.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR. BALASH  said the exploration  credit rules vary a  little bit                                                               
in the  Cook Inlet region because  of the maturity of  the basin;                                                               
some  of the  distance  requirements are  shorter,  but they  are                                                               
still available  for what would be  considered "rank" exploration                                                               
outside of known reserves.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
3:22:54 PM                                                                                                                    
The biggest difference between the  North Slope and Cook Inlet is                                                               
in  the operation  of deductions  due to  the transition-type  of                                                               
work that was  done in the production tax code  when it was moved                                                               
from the  ELF-based system in  2006 into the net-based  under PPT                                                               
and ACES.  Under ELF a large  number of producing fields  in Cook                                                               
Inlet were at  a zero percent tax rate, primarily  the oil fields                                                               
and some  of the gas fields  were down in the  4-5 percent range.                                                               
To prevent  any jarring tax  increases for  either oil or  gas, a                                                               
ceiling was put in place to  grandfather in the old ELF-rates. He                                                               
explained further:                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     So,  when you  take an  expenditure in  Cook Inlet  and                                                                    
     start deducting  that from  the production  value, that                                                                    
     comes  down and  brings  the  overall production  value                                                                    
     lower, but  unless you have a  significant expenditure,                                                                    
     you're  not  ever  going  to fall  below  the  old  ELF                                                                    
     ceiling.  As  a  consequence,  you don't  see  the  tax                                                                    
     benefit of a  deduction in Cook Inlet the  same way you                                                                    
     do on the North Slope.  As a consequence you don't have                                                                    
     the  same   combination  of  incentives  to   apply  to                                                                    
     exploration projects in  the Cook Inlet that  you do up                                                                    
     in the  North Slope and  in the Brooks Range  and NPRA.                                                                    
     So the bottom line is that  we do have tax credits, but                                                                    
     because the tax  rates are low the  opportunity for the                                                                    
     additional  incentives in  the  capital deductions  are                                                                    
     not present in Cook Inlet.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR FRENCH asked if North  Slope credits are transferable out                                                               
of the Cook Inlet Basin.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. BALASH replied  the credits can be applied  to production tax                                                               
due  in  other regions,  but  the  deductions can't  be  exported                                                               
outside of the Cook Inlet Basin.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  WIELECHOWSKI  asked  what he  thought  about  Chevron's                                                               
suggestion  about  making  tax   credits  available  for  storage                                                               
investments  and  treating   storage  costs  like  transportation                                                               
making them deductible from royalty.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR. BALASH replied the manner  of determining what qualifies as a                                                               
deduction under  the tax code is  a defined term in  the point of                                                               
production, and storage takes place  above or beyond the point of                                                               
production. So,  it would require changing  the definition, which                                                               
would have to  be done very carefully, because a  it would affect                                                               
not only the Cook Inlet, but the North Slope as well.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
3:26:54 PM                                                                                                                    
As the economic  impacts of where that line is  are examined, one                                                               
can see potential  enormous changes in the way of  looking at the                                                               
economics - particularly  in Prudhoe Bay gas  development where a                                                               
gas  treatment plant  that  would cost  billions  of dollars.  By                                                               
moving the point of production to  a place where storage would be                                                               
included,  he  couldn't  imagine  how  the  definition  would  be                                                               
written without including treatment first.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR WIELECHOWSKI  suggested stopping it at  the North Slope,                                                               
because one of the key issues in Cook Inlet is storage.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
3:27:51 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. BALASH  replied that  providing credit  for storage  could be                                                               
"bolted  on separately"  in  a couple  of  ways without  creating                                                               
other  problems;  definitions wouldn't  have  to  be changed.  He                                                               
observed because of the ways they  have tried to treat Cook Inlet                                                               
differently  than the  North Slope,  they  just need  to be  very                                                               
careful in  making changes to the  code so as to  not create what                                                               
might be considered loopholes between the two basins.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
3:28:48 PM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR  MCGUIRE asked  if  he  could use  her  bill on  capital                                                               
investment for alternative  energy that has an  earned tax credit                                                               
that gets applied generally as a model.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. BALASH replied that could  be considered. The question is who                                                               
would have  access to that  credit - the producers,  utilities or                                                               
third parties? It would be a policy decision.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR FRENCH for summaries of  what DNR's ideas are for solving                                                               
the Cook Inlet gas issues.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
3:30:04 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. BANKS  recapped that the  department has been called  upon by                                                               
many  parties to  offer some  kind of  baseline information  with                                                               
respect to reserves and resources  and possibly costs in order to                                                               
help  inform to  date.  To  a certain  extent  that  is what  the                                                               
Division of Oil and  Gas is trying to do, and  they should have a                                                               
better  estimate  of reserves  by  the  end  of the  summer;  the                                                               
resource  estimates would  take  longer. They  are  at the  "very                                                               
front  end"  of  cost  information and  they  haven't  completely                                                               
scoped  out what  kind  of work  that might  entail  in terms  of                                                               
offering potential solutions.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
He said he  had been prepared to talk about  direct subsidies for                                                               
gas exploration, but  he hadn't heard a lot of  people asking for                                                               
that. They seem to be more  concerned about access to the market,                                                               
access  to  land,  and  price,   all  of  which  are  beyond  the                                                               
department.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
^Regularoy Commission  of Alaska (RCA)  - chairman Bob  Pickett -                                                               
gas pricing                                                                                                                     
 Regulatory Commission of Alaska (RCA) - chairman Bob Pickett -                                                             
                          gas pricing                                                                                       
                                                                                                                              
3:32:05 PM                                                                                                                    
BOB  PICKETT, Chairman,  Regulatory Commission  of Alaska  (RCA),                                                               
said  he would  first highlight  the statutory  role of  the RCA.                                                               
They do not  regulate producers of natural gas in  the Inlet, but                                                               
they  do evaluate  gas sale  agreements to  the utilities.  Their                                                               
standard review considers whether the  utility acted in a prudent                                                               
manner  and if  the terms  of the  agreement are  reasonable, and                                                               
whether the  gas sale agreement insures  reliable and reasonably-                                                               
priced utility  service. They are  guided by AS  42.05.431(a) and                                                               
under this  subsection, the RCA  has to  determine if terms  of a                                                               
gas   sale    agreement   are   unjust,    unreasonable,   unduly                                                               
discriminatory or preferential. The  RCA makes this determination                                                               
on  the  basis  of  the   record  developed  for  each  gas  sale                                                               
agreement.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
3:34:09 PM                                                                                                                    
He explained  that the  gas sale agreements  are filed  as tariff                                                               
actions (TA filings)  and are publicly noticed.  After the public                                                               
notice  period is  over,  the Commission  will  evaluate all  the                                                               
comments  that are  filed and  then  make a  determination as  to                                                               
whether they will  allow the filing to go into  effect or suspend                                                               
it  into  a docket  for  further  investigation. Because  of  the                                                               
critical importance  of the  gas sale  agreements most  have been                                                               
suspended into dockets. They are  a huge component of a utility's                                                               
electric bill or in the case  of Enstar, it probably accounts for                                                               
80  percent of  their  dollar figures.  The  record is  developed                                                               
through successive rounds of prefiled  testimony and discovery on                                                               
the   prefiled   testimony,   and   further   developed   through                                                               
evidentiary hearings  and commissioner enquiring.  The Commission                                                               
must base its findings of law  in findings of fact on the record.                                                               
When the  RCA decisions  don't afford all  the parties  their due                                                               
process rights based on the  record, they are subject to reversal                                                               
by the  Superior Court or  the Supreme  Court - as  what happened                                                               
with the 2004 RCA decision concerning an Anchorage utility.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
3:35:54 PM                                                                                                                    
He  commented that  the Cook  Inlet gas  market is  truly unique,                                                               
because it  is isolated,  and the  gas was found  as a  result of                                                               
looking  for oil  -  so  the costs  associated  with the  initial                                                               
exploration which  identified the largest Cook  Inlet fields were                                                               
by and  large borne  by the oil  side of the  equation at  a time                                                               
when  the cost  structure  was entirely  different.  There is  no                                                               
commonly  accepted pricing  mechanism in  Cook Inlet  for natural                                                               
gas.  It has  been  only since  2001 that  a  variety of  pricing                                                               
proxies  have been  considered by  the utilities,  the producers,                                                               
the attorney  general and the RCA,  but none have resulted  in an                                                               
RCA-approved  GSA   that  currently   delivers  gas   to  utility                                                               
customers.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
3:37:05 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. PICKETT  explained that utility  gas supply agreements  use a                                                               
variety of  pricing mechanisms  - the  Henry Hub  averages, crude                                                               
oil futures,  NYMEX 36-month future contracts,  contractual terms                                                               
tied to  specific base  prices identified in  some of  the legacy                                                               
contracts with  an index  escalator, and in  the case  of Enstar,                                                               
the "weighted average cost of  gas" for Cook Inlet (WACOG), which                                                               
is $8.75(2009).  For reference  he said the  July 2009  NYMEX was                                                               
$3.80.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
He said they should factor  in some recent development into their                                                               
decision-making process.  After the  conclusion of the  last sale                                                               
agreements (EO858) in  which Enstar relied on  a tariff provision                                                               
allowing them to enter into  agreements with producers as long as                                                               
the price doesn't exceed the  weighted average cost to Cook Inlet                                                               
gas  (the  two  one-year  contracts that  were  referenced),  the                                                               
Commission  realized that  several key  points were  identified -                                                               
one  is that  storage is  a critical  component of  the immediate                                                               
future and it is going to be  the shock absorber that will get us                                                               
them  through  deliverability crunches,  and  he  said, "I  fully                                                               
believe we do have a severe deliverability problem."                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
He said that  Enstar recognized the problem in 2007  after a cold                                                               
snap  and again  in January  2009 when  the average  temperatures                                                               
were no  lower than -15 when  the system was stretched  "from the                                                               
wellhead  clear to  the burner  tip." This  needs to  be factored                                                               
into their thought processes collectively.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
3:39:18 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. PICKETT allowed that the RCA  has not done an adequate job of                                                               
describing the Cook  Inlet gas situation to the public.  He is at                                                               
the  receiving end  of  many phone  calls  and the  RCA  is at  a                                                               
balancing point  trying to strike  the right balance  between the                                                               
utilities and the ratepayers. That  is what the legislature in AS                                                               
42.05 tasked  them with. He  has heard the  RCA referred to  as a                                                               
rubber stamp for  the producers, but he thought  Enstar "would be                                                               
quite shocked to  hear that characterization." But  when they are                                                               
hit with 22  percent rate increases, they are  frustrated and are                                                               
looking for some sort of relief.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
In  February  the RCA  decided  to  investigate at  their  public                                                               
meetings  whether there  was a  need for  regulations or  a rule-                                                               
making (R-dockets)  docket on the  issue of natural  gas storage.                                                               
Before entering  into that, they  had a scoping process  in which                                                               
affected parties  are offered the  opportunity to  comment. After                                                               
reviewing comments on the storage  issue and with some input from                                                               
the  Department  of  Law  that  there  were  some  jurisdictional                                                               
issues, commissioners  decided not  to proceed  with a  docket at                                                               
this time  because it  would probably have  a chilling  effect on                                                               
investment  in storage.  If a  utility  is going  to be  directly                                                               
investing in  natural gas storage  for utility purposes  they are                                                               
clearly covered under  AS 42.05, but as far  as producer storage,                                                               
the RCA  has jurisdictional  issues and  other "gray  zones" that                                                               
are better to not take up now.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
The  Commission did  feel  it  was important  to  have a  scoping                                                               
process on how the gas pricing  and gas sale agreements work. So,                                                               
comments were solicited and in  April they received comments from                                                               
four  producers,  four  utilities,   land  owners,  the  Attorney                                                               
General, DNR, ANGDA, and a  member of the legislature. The nature                                                               
of the  comments ranged from  some strong encouragement  clear to                                                               
"this is a  fool's errand." As a result, the  RCA decided to open                                                               
a  docket and  issue a  notice of  inquiry covering  a couple  of                                                               
different areas. First  is the issue of whether the  RCA even has                                                               
jurisdiction  in  gas  sale  agreements (raised  by  one  of  the                                                               
utilities) and  the Department of Law  is looking at. The  RCA is                                                               
also  reviewing  the  practice  of prior  approval  of  gas  sale                                                               
agreements.  One option  is that  the utility  negotiates it  and                                                               
then down the road  some place in the context of  a rate case the                                                               
RCA  evaluates it.  Given  recent history,  he  didn't think  the                                                               
utilities  would  do that.  In  the  absence of  some  certainty,                                                               
utilities are  not going to  be second-guessed in the  rate case.                                                               
That's why  the practice of  prior approval has evolved  over the                                                               
years.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
He said the  RCA would also be looking at  the standard of review                                                               
for the  gas sale  agreements and  then look  at the  question if                                                               
there is  a role  that the  RCA currently  has under  statute for                                                               
creating incentives for natural  gas exploration and production -                                                               
a big question mark.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR. PICKETT  remarked that  on May 12,  the gas  supply agreement                                                               
between Chugach  Electric and ConocoPhillips  was filed  with the                                                               
RCA along with  a request for an expedited  public notice period,                                                               
which was granted. It has been  noticed and comments are due back                                                               
to the  RCA by  June 19, 2009.  He said the  RCA website  has the                                                               
three-page notice with a description  of the pricing points. As a                                                               
further consideration  for this contract Chugach  Electric agreed                                                               
to drop its  appeal before the Ninth Circuit Court  of Appeals on                                                               
the DOE/King Island LNG export license and authorization.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
3:44:11 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR STEDMAN joined the committee.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  MCGUIRE   asked  what   he  thought   about  Marathon's                                                               
testimony earlier that the way  a price is considered competitive                                                               
or not  is to compare it  to the alternatives that  are available                                                               
as opposed to the market itself.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. PICKETT  said he  would speak for  himself, because  the five                                                               
commissioners  have very  different personalities  and approaches                                                               
to things.  He thought it was  fair to say that  some elements of                                                               
the record point  to that opinion. The  Commission was criticized                                                               
by  a number  of different  entities that  it did  not take  cost                                                               
considerations into  account, but  from his  read of  the 10,000-                                                               
page record  of three and a  half weeks of hearings  is that none                                                               
of the parties ever introduced cost elements into the record.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
He said  it is  very unclear  that the Commission  has a  role in                                                               
incentivizing  exploration;   obviously  approval  of   gas  sale                                                               
agreements is  a critical component  just because it  creates the                                                               
market for the producers. But  he didn't think the Commission was                                                               
well equipped to  make judgments on exploration  costs because it                                                               
was  very fast  moving.  The collapse  of  the commodity  markets                                                               
makes  it even  truer today  than it  was a  year ago.  Different                                                               
companies have  entirely different rates  of return (ROR)  and he                                                               
didn't think they  wanted to put the Commission in  a position of                                                               
evaluating on a field by field basis what the ROR should be.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  MCGUIRE  said Mr.  Banks  testified  that he  had  seen                                                               
evidence that people are converting  their P2 fields to P1 fields                                                               
to  meet existing  contracts, and  she  wondered if  part of  the                                                               
crisis  they  are  facing  is  because  of  the  lack  of  fiscal                                                               
certainty  surrounding  the long  term  contracts  that could  be                                                               
associated with exploration.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
3:47:32 PM                                                                                                                    
It appears  in that one  example movement is detected  when there                                                               
is  an  underpinning  contract.  This  dovetails  into  a  larger                                                               
question which is that the RCA  has a statutorily defined role on                                                               
behalf  of  consumers and  she  wanted  to  know to  what  extent                                                               
availability of a resource comes into play.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
3:48:15 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. PICKETT answered  that is a good question and  if you go back                                                               
to 2001, the Mineral Management  Service (MMS) had an estimate of                                                               
2.7-2.8  tcf of  proven and  probable reserves  in the  Inlet. In                                                               
February Mr.  Banks had  an estimate  of 1.35  tcf and  it sounds                                                               
like that may  be on the conservative side. The  fact is that the                                                               
proven and  probable reserves have  been "on a  fairly relentless                                                               
decline  in this  decade, at  least." That  means the  fields are                                                               
being developed.  So part of  the answer is incentives,  but it's                                                               
important that  the market as a  whole can function. That  is why                                                               
in EO858 the Commission strongly supported the export license.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Availability of the resource is  an overriding consideration, but                                                               
the RCA  has to make  decisions based  on the record.  The courts                                                               
have  and  will  overturn  their decisions;  and  the  Commission                                                               
doesn't have time to redo  them. Perhaps the Legislature could go                                                               
into the statutory citation about  the standard of review for gas                                                               
sale  agreements and  arrive at  some kind  of pricing  mechanism                                                               
that  made  sense  in  the overall  state's  best  interest.  The                                                               
Constitution mandates particular for  the resources that they are                                                               
managed for all  Alaskans, and that isn't just  the ratepayers in                                                               
Southcentral Alaska.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
^Gas  storage &  other  infrastructure issues  - Mark  Slaughter,                                                               
Enstar's  Manager  of  Gas  Supply;  Ethan  Schutt,  Senior  Vice                                                               
President,  CIRI Land  &  Legal Affairs;  Kevin  Banks, DNR;  RCA                                                               
Chairman Bob Pickett; Suzanne Gibson, Chugach                                                                                   
  Gas storage & other infrastructure issues - Mark Slaughter,                                                               
                Enstar's Manager of Gas Supply &                                                                            
              Ethan Schutt, Senior Vice President                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
3:50:49 PM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR  WIELECHOWSKI  said  he   wanted  Enstar's  thoughts  on                                                               
incentivizing gas exploration in Cook Inlet and on storage.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MARK SLAUGHTER,  Gas Supply Manager, Enstar  Natural Gas Company,                                                               
representing Enstar  and the Alaska  Pipeline Company,  said that                                                               
Enstar is  a division of  Semco, and the Alaska  Pipeline Company                                                               
is a wholly-owned  subsidiary of Semco. They  serve about 128,000                                                               
customers and that translates into  about 350,040 citizens of the                                                               
state. They  run 350  miles of  high pressure  transmission lines                                                               
and another 2,800 miles of distribution lines.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
He said  they do not  have a  gas contract currently;  the Unocal                                                               
2001  contract   is  the  last   one.  They  have   entered  into                                                               
negotiations and contracts between  various parties using pricing                                                               
methods that  the Commission indicated would  be acceptable prior                                                               
to  their  hearing  and  review   process,  but  then  they  were                                                               
rejected.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
In 2011  they will have a  shortfall of roughly 10.5  bcf of gas,                                                               
which is a  third of their portfolio.  They do not like  to be in                                                               
this position  and would  normally contract  for long  periods of                                                               
time  like 10-20  years. He  said they  are actively  negotiating                                                               
with  producers  and he  was  optimistic  that they  would  bring                                                               
something  forward before  then,  but he  hoped  the RCA  process                                                               
would not be too difficult.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  WIELECHOWSKI asked  if he  had talked  to anyone  about                                                               
using depleted wells for storage.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
3:55:18 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  SLAUGHTER  replied  they had  been  evaluating  storage  for                                                               
several years. With  the APL6 contract they had  a commitment for                                                               
purchasing  storage gas  and were  in  negotiations with  storage                                                               
field owners to purchase the  storage field. In 2011 Enstar knows                                                               
it  will need  approximately 1.2  bcf gas  with a  deliverability                                                               
rate of 50 mmcf/day. He said  they had spent a significant amount                                                               
of  time evaluating  properties,  but only  a  limited number  of                                                               
fields in Cook Inlet are  reasonable storage facilities, and even                                                               
then some  risk is  involved. For perspective,  he said,  even if                                                               
they were  to start  on storage today,  one entity  has estimated                                                               
that it  would take until  2013 to get  a storage field  on line.                                                               
This is too late.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
3:56:52 PM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR  WIELECHOWSKI asked  what the  legislature should  do to                                                               
incentivize Cook Inlet  gas production in relation  to the Enstar                                                               
issue.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. SLAUGHTER  replied that they  need to  be able to  enter into                                                               
contracts with producers  that will be approved by  the RCA. They                                                               
are not interested in a  retroactive cost approval basis. Storage                                                               
is needed, and Enstar is actively working on it.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
3:58:44 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR   WAGONER  asked   what   they  are   going   to  do   if                                                               
ConocoPhillips' plan is not approved  for export in 2011 and they                                                               
don't have that as a backup for their shortfall.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. SLAUGHTER  replied that  the plant  is only  licensed through                                                               
March 2011,  and their  peaking shortfall right  now is  87 mmcf.                                                               
They  will try  to contract  for it  and they  are trying  to get                                                               
storage developed  storage by  that time. The  gas that  is being                                                               
diverted from that plant is going  to Enstar to CEA to meet other                                                               
contractual obligations. That is why  they are hearing storage is                                                               
needed in the Inlet.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Enstar  has  received  rough  estimates  of  $25-30  million  for                                                               
installing  the  regasification facility  on  the  plant. If  the                                                               
plant is shut down,  one idea is that they can  fill the tanks up                                                               
at  the end  of the  2011  and then  they  would be  able to  get                                                               
through 2012.  But who  would operate  it? And  the plant  is too                                                               
large  to keep  a number  of people  employed year-round  just to                                                               
fill the tanks up once a year (about 2.2 bcf).                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
4:01:00 PM                                                                                                                    
SUZANNE  GIBSON,  Director,  Energy Resources,  Chugach  Electric                                                               
Association (CEA), said there are  no easy answers in Cook Inlet.                                                               
One  thing they  can all  readily  agree on  is that  third-party                                                               
storage is  critical to the  development of a  competitive liquid                                                               
natural  gas market.  Storage would  provide  needed summer  time                                                               
markets  for Cook  Inlet producers  and  create opportunities  to                                                               
reduce  dependence  on  producers' ability  to  provide  critical                                                               
winter  time  peak  demand.  It  would  improve  flexibility  and                                                               
reliability for both  electric and gas utilities;  it would allow                                                               
new  producers to  enter into  the Cook  Inlet market  because it                                                               
reduces the risk that they will not be able to find a market.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
However,  third-party storage  is not  without its  difficulties,                                                               
she said.  It would  be the  beginning of a  spot market  in Cook                                                               
Inlet,  which means  that  utilities would  have  the ability  to                                                               
purchase gas  on a daily  basis to  meet their needs.  They could                                                               
also make decisions  about whether to store that gas  and burn it                                                               
at a later time, which  would require some refinements to current                                                               
regulatory rules  about having  preapproval for  certain portions                                                               
of natural gas contracts.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MS. GIBSON  said the largest  hindrance to a new  third-party gas                                                               
storage facility  is that as far  as Chugach is aware,  there are                                                               
no  empty  reservoirs  in  Cook  Inlet  that  are  available  for                                                               
utilities  or an  independent  storage operator  to  come in  and                                                               
utilize in order  to provide the necessary tool  that will bridge                                                               
the gap between  what producers can produce on a  daily basis and                                                               
what utilities require.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
As  was  pointed out,  the  ConocoPhillips  LNG facility  is  not                                                               
capable of  regasifying the gas  that goes into the  facility and                                                               
returning  it to  the local  utility market  at this  point. FERC                                                               
recently ruled  that any  modification to  the LNG  facility will                                                               
require  the whole  facility  to be  brought up  to  code. So  in                                                               
addition to  adding the regasification, other  regulatory hurdles                                                               
will have to be met.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MS.  GIBSON  concluded  that Chugach  believes  that  third-party                                                               
storage is  the gateway to  real price discovery and  the genesis                                                               
of a  spot market  that reflects  the true value  of gas  in Cook                                                               
Inlet.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
4:04:29 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR FRENCH asked in other  jurisdictions, is it typically the                                                               
producer or the utility that takes authority over storage.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MS. GIBSON replied  that producers can own their  own storage; it                                                               
is  also  very  common  for  independent  storage  operators  and                                                               
utilities  to  own  and  operate storage.  In  some  cases  those                                                               
storage facilities are regulated and sometimes not.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR FRENCH  asked in the  absence of  a reservoir and  an LNG                                                               
regasification facility, what other options are there.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MS. GIBSON  replied that  they need  a third  party to  get their                                                               
hands on  a reservoir,  and she  didn't know how  to get  that to                                                               
happen.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WAGONER  asked if a  facility for compressed  natural gas                                                               
could be built to help smooth out peak demand.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MS. GIBSON replied that she  didn't have any first-hand knowledge                                                               
about the cost  of such a facility, but all  options should be on                                                               
the table at this point.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR   WIELECHOWSKI   asked   how  to   incentivize   storage                                                               
facilities.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS. GIBSON  replied that Chugach is  a not-for-profit non-taxable                                                               
entity; so from  a utility perspective they need  capital and the                                                               
ability to get  an adequate reservoir. She couldn't  speak to tax                                                               
incentives.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
4:06:54 PM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR  WIELECHOWSKI asked  how big  of a  storage facility  is                                                               
needed in Cook Inlet.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MS. GIBSON replied that Chugach,  Enstar, and ML&P are working on                                                               
consolidating their  needs to  figure that  out. Most  likely one                                                               
single reservoir wouldn't provide a the whole solution.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR WIELECHOWSKI said  the open market hadn't  taken care of                                                               
this problem, and he asked if  she thought the state needed to do                                                               
something.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MS. GIBSON replied that there is  a free market, but not a liquid                                                               
market, and "the two kind of go hand-in-hand." She stated:                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     It's difficult to value storage  at anything other than                                                                    
     cost unless there  is a market. That kind  of leads you                                                                    
     down  the path  of  a  utility-owned regulated  storage                                                                    
     facility. To  incent independents to come  in and build                                                                    
     storage which  will be utilized by  utilities, it would                                                                    
     necessitate  spot market.  I don't  think that  you can                                                                    
     have   one  without   the  other.   But  if   you  have                                                                    
     storage....it  opens  up  all kinds  of  opportunities.                                                                    
     Because now  it means  if an  independent comes  in and                                                                    
     drills  and  they have  gas,  the  utility can  buy  it                                                                    
     because  they are  not tied  up  with full  requirement                                                                    
     contracts that  don't allow them  to purchase  gas from                                                                    
     anyone  who  can't  meet some  portion  of  their  full                                                                    
     requirement. So  it is, I  believe, the genesis  of the                                                                    
     improvement of  this market, and  also it will  lead to                                                                    
     true price discovery.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR WIELECHOWSKI asked if Enstar agrees.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
4:10:34 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. SLAUGHTER  responded that from Enstar's  perspective, storage                                                               
is one aspect of the whole  equation. If the price is high enough                                                               
to absorb  the dry well  or cost  overruns, people will  take the                                                               
exploration  risks.  A   third-party  independent  doing  storage                                                               
services will  want a market  rate instead  of a cost  of service                                                               
model. So, then  you get back to the question  of how the utility                                                               
will be  able to store gas  in a storage facility  if the storage                                                               
operator wants  market rates.  Then you're going  to go  down the                                                               
path of  what their costs  are to operate that  storage facility,                                                               
and it's  doubtful that a producer  "will open up their  books on                                                               
that."                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
4:11:11 PM                                                                                                                    
ETHAN   SCHUTT,   Senior   Vice  President,   Land   and   Energy                                                               
Development, Cook Inlet Regional Inc.  (CIRI), said he would talk                                                               
about  CIRI's  storage  infrastructure. CIRI  has  reservoir  and                                                               
reservoir  lands, so  they have  perspective structural  storage,                                                               
but today  they come  to the  meeting as a  third party  that has                                                               
looked at participation  in the private market to  develop a non-                                                               
producer, non-utility  storage solution  that would  be available                                                               
to  utilities  or  independent   producers.  He  said  they  have                                                               
perceived a  need for storage  by smaller  independents. Normally                                                               
the term  "producers" refers to  Unocal and Chevron  or Marathon,                                                               
the large incumbent producers.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
He  said  that this  uncertain  market  environment makes  it  an                                                               
unattractive  proposition for  private investment  to develop  an                                                               
independent and  open storage market.  To serve this  market they                                                               
probably need  storage on  both sides of  the Inlet  - subsurface                                                               
structural  storage for  peak needs  as well  as surface  storage                                                               
that  would  help ease  the  utilities'  costs as  the  contracts                                                               
transition over to having punitive  clauses for missing predicted                                                               
gas  rates with  their producers  to supply  their gas.  It's not                                                               
easy  to  alleviate  those   hourly  shortfalls  with  structural                                                               
storage because  you have  the issue of  whether you  can produce                                                               
more gas out of your  geological structure that was probably once                                                               
a gas field in its own right.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
4:14:50 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.   SHUTT  said   the  real   uncertainties   that  make   this                                                               
unattractive  have  to  do  with   the  utility  customer  market                                                               
uncertainty. He  explained that Chugach is  the largest generator                                                               
right now of electricity on the  Railbelt, but two of their large                                                               
wholesale customers are coming up  on the ends of their contracts                                                               
- Homer  Electric and MatSu  Electric. Both of those  are talking                                                               
about their own energy systems. So,  at this point it isn't clear                                                               
who  the  utility  customers  will   be.  Couple  this  with  the                                                               
uncertainty that the RCA would  regulate third-party storage just                                                               
because  the  customers are  utilities  and  it's not  clear  the                                                               
developing  a third-party  storage would  be able  to achieve  an                                                               
attractive rate of return.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
A third  layer of uncertainty  is the market uncertainty  and the                                                               
perception  that  a desperate  situation  is  looming for  energy                                                               
supply to  the Railbelt. Developing  a storage facility is  not a                                                               
cheap undertaking  and when  you talk about  bullet lines  or the                                                               
construction of  a large  LNG import facility  as solutions  to a                                                               
desperate problem,  one doesn't want  to invest a lot  of capital                                                               
in large storage facility that  might be unnecessary before being                                                               
able to recover amortized costs for developing it.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
4:17:17 PM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR WIELECHOWSKI asked how much storage would be needed.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. SCHUTT replied  it's hard without knowing  what the utilities                                                               
would need. A  lot of the facilities are old  and inefficient and                                                               
everyone is talking  about installing new gas  turbines, but they                                                               
should work together to try to quantify what is needed.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR FRENCH asked if CIRI land has producing gas wells.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. SHUTT answered yes on both sides of Cook Inlet.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR FRENCH asked who operates them.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. SHUTT answered Marathon, Aurora, and a few others.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  WAGONER asked  when  they are  going  to start  drilling                                                               
Sunrise.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. SCHUTT answered that is slated for November/December.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
^Access  issues -  Kenai National  Wildlife  Refuge, Robin  West,                                                               
Refuge  Manager, and  CIRI Ethan  Schutt, Senior  Vice President,                                                               
Land & Legal Affairs                                                                                                            
  Access issues - Kenai National Wildlife Refuge, Robin West,                                                               
     Refuge Manager, and CIRI Ethan Schutt, Senior Vice Pre                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
4:19:50 PM                                                                                                                    
ROBIN WEST, Refuge Manager, Kenai  National Wildlife Refuge, said                                                               
the Refuge  was established in  1941 as the Kenai  National Moose                                                               
Range. Shortly  after that came  a growing interest  in petroleum                                                               
production in  the area.  The only legal  guidance in  those days                                                               
was the Minerals  Leasing Act of 1920. In 1957,  the Secretary of                                                               
Interior at the time carved off  part of the Kenai National Moose                                                               
Range and opened it to oil  and gas activities. The remainder was                                                               
placed  off-limits. Those  lines  haven't changed  much over  the                                                               
years. They  have seen additional withdrawals  and additions with                                                               
the Alaska  Native Interest Land Claims  Settlement Act (ANILCA),                                                               
the Wilderness Act and the Refuge Administration Act.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
They have three  lease areas: the Swanson River  field which came                                                               
on in 1957, the Beaver Creek  Filed in 1967, and Birch Hill which                                                               
is not  yet in  production. CIRI  has access  rights to  nearly a                                                               
quarter million  acres of subsurface  oil, gas and coal  that are                                                               
adjacent to existing federal leases  under ANILCA. The areas that                                                               
are  adjacent to  those in  the uplands  and foothills  are close                                                               
either by law or regulations.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
More acres  are closed  than are  open, but he  has been  told 80                                                               
percent of  the open  lands have  the potential  for exploration.                                                               
Last year  a six-mile  road was  built in the  Refuge out  to the                                                               
satellite project at  Sunrise, and probably in  January the drill                                                               
rig will go in there.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
On June 2 a pre-application  meeting was held with Nordic Energy,                                                               
Inc.  on  a  proposed  2.5-mile  ice  road  to  do  a  subsurface                                                               
exploratory gas well  for CIRI. So, he will be  issuing a special                                                               
use permit  for their survey  within a  few weeks. Union  Oil has                                                               
also  applied for  a right-of-way  permit to  build a  three-mile                                                               
permanent road to access Birch  Hill, and that project will begin                                                               
this winter.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
4:24:05 PM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR  WIELECHOWSKI said  people  have heard  there are  large                                                               
reserves  in the  Kenai National  Wildlife Refuge,  and he  asked                                                               
what the state could do to access them.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR.  WEST replied  in the  14  years that  he has  been a  Refuge                                                               
Manager, he has had no  requests to explore outside of authorized                                                               
areas, and  he has never denied  a permit in the  areas that have                                                               
interest.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
4:25:02 PM                                                                                                                    
KIM  CUNNINGHAM, Director,  Land and  Resources, CIRI,  said they                                                               
hold significant surface  and subsurface acres in  Cook Inlet and                                                               
also  within  the  Kenai  National  Wildlife  Refuge.  They  have                                                               
received  186,380  acres  of the  subsurface  within  the  Refuge                                                               
through their  entitlement. CIRI  is seeking  responsible lessees                                                               
to explore  their subsurface estate  both inside and  outside the                                                               
Refuge.  Most of  their research  indicates that  Cook Inlet  has                                                               
significant resources  remaining that  need to be  discovered and                                                               
explored.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Within  the Kenai  National Wildlife  Refuge, CIRI  has ownership                                                               
interest in  the productions  coming from  the Beaver  Creek Unit                                                               
operated  by  Marathon,  the  Swanson   River  Unit  operated  by                                                               
Chevron, and  the Birch  Hill Unit  that has gas,  but it  is not                                                               
being  produced yet.  In  addition, CIRI  has  leased acreage  to                                                               
Marathon  and Nordic  Energy. Of  the total  CIRI acreage  in the                                                               
Refuge, Union  holds approximately  21,000 acres,  Marathon holds                                                               
approximately 26,000 acres and Nordic Energy has 11,000 acres.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MS. CUNNINGHAM said their lessees  have many prospects within the                                                               
Refuge,  but  it is  time  consuming  and  costly to  obtain  the                                                               
permits  required to  explore in  the Refuge.  She remarked  that                                                               
from the  lessees she  works with  on a  regular basis,  they are                                                               
very complimentary regarding how well everyone works together.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
She said  an example of  the process  for a lessee  interested in                                                               
exploring  for oil  and  gas  in the  Refuge  is  best served  by                                                               
talking about the Sunrise prospect,  on which Marathon will drill                                                               
one exploratory  well this winter.  This requires  permitting for                                                               
the road,  pad, and an initial  well. There are and  have been at                                                               
least seven  agencies and programs  involved - the  Department of                                                               
Interior,  the U.S.  Fish  and Wildlife  Service,  U.S. Corps  of                                                               
Engineers, the  U.S. Environmental Protection Agency,  the Alaska                                                               
Department  of Fish  and Game,  Division of  Habitat, the  Alaska                                                               
Coastal Management Program, and  the Office of Project Management                                                               
and Permitting.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Participants  have  to determine  who  the  lead agency  will  be                                                               
before they do  anything else at the time they  start to plan for                                                               
an  exploration  program.   In  the  case  of   Sunrise,  it  was                                                               
determined that it would be  the U.S. Department of the Interior,                                                               
U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
4:30:09 PM                                                                                                                    
She said  the most important  permit is the  Environmental Impact                                                               
Statement (EIS)  because it  sets the  guidelines for  the entire                                                               
project  and is  subject to  both agency  and public  comment. It                                                               
helps  determine which  state agencies  and permits  are required                                                               
for  project approval.  The lead  federal agency  has a  16-month                                                               
window to complete its review of  the EIS for projects within the                                                               
Kenai  National   Wildlife  Refuge.  This  timeline   is  from  a                                                               
provision in  ANILCA giving  Native groups  the right  to develop                                                               
resources within an in-holding selected  under the ANCSA. Without                                                               
the  ANILCA stipulation,  agencies have  no mandated  timeline or                                                               
due date for approving the EIS.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Producing  an EIS  takes extensive  research on  the part  of the                                                               
applicant who has to gather  environmental data before they begin                                                               
the  application process  in  order to  meet  the schedule.  Data                                                               
gathering is seasonal work - mostly  in the summer - and can take                                                               
up to a year and a half  to complete. After completing the EIS, a                                                               
Coastal  Zone  Consistency  Determination   for  the  project  is                                                               
required  for the  issuance of  the necessary  state and  federal                                                               
permits. While the EIS requires  addressing the full scope of the                                                               
project,  the consistency  review  can be  phased to  accommodate                                                               
first,  and once  they know  they have  something worth  pursuing                                                               
they would proceed with the development component.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
In the case  of Sunrise the initial permitting for  the EIS began                                                               
in  late 2000  and was  completed  in January  2003. It  included                                                               
issuance  of  the  right-of-way  permits  by  the  Department  of                                                               
Interior and  also in  their case, to  transfer that  permit when                                                               
they  had operator  issues.  Once the  transfer  was complete  in                                                               
early  2004 they  applied for  the consistency  determination and                                                               
had all the permits in hand by the  end of 2004. At this point in                                                               
time, the  lessee has moved  forward and followed through  with a                                                               
seismic program and  processing of the seismic data  - looking at                                                               
it to  make sure the well  is at the most  optimal location. They                                                               
are  trying to  allocate  their  resources and  in  the light  of                                                               
recent economics  figure out how  to meet their commitment  to do                                                               
the exploration, a condition CIRI built into the lease.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
In addition to the EIS, the  Corps of Engineers was also involved                                                               
in the  application process to  obtain approval to  construct the                                                               
access road  across wetlands. State  agencies were  also involved                                                               
in  permitting  the Sunrise  project;  a  permit from  ADF&G  was                                                               
necessary because the  road crossed the tributary  to the Swanson                                                               
River, and the  ADEC had to review water quality  impacts as part                                                               
of  the 401  process associated  with  the 404  permit, which  is                                                               
issued by the  Corps of Engineers. If after the  well is drilled,                                                               
Sunrise  is determined  to  be an  economic  discovery, a  second                                                               
round of permitting  will begin. This phase  is necessary because                                                               
you need to know what type  of facility is needed before they get                                                               
permitted.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
If Sunrise  is determined to  be a  large project, the  Office of                                                               
Project  Management  and  Permitting will  become  involved.  Air                                                               
permits may  be required and  modifications for  the right-of-way                                                               
for  the  pipeline  may  be required.  New  EPA  guidelines  have                                                               
extended  the Corps  of Engineers'  permitting process  which can                                                               
take over 120 days. Gas is easier to permit than oil.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
4:33:50 PM                                                                                                                    
In closing,  she said,  their concern in  leasing to  somebody is                                                               
that   smaller  independents   don't   have  the   sophistication                                                               
necessarily  to do  everything  that has  to be  done  to get  an                                                               
exploration started in the Refuge.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
4:34:46 PM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR WIELECHOWSKI  asked if there  is anything the  state can                                                               
do to change the process since that is a federal refuge.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MS. CUNNINGHAM  replied that she  didn't think they  could impact                                                               
the federal permitting  process, but in the Lower 48  BLM has had                                                               
a pilot project in which they  have been looking at the timelines                                                               
for permitting. After two years  of that pilot project, they came                                                               
out with  a report  in February  2009 that  significantly reduced                                                               
permitting time by coordinating the  efforts of all the agencies.                                                               
So  it may  be possible  to find  ways for  agencies to  work and                                                               
coordinate their information better.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Also, as  a person who  hears from lessees, particularly  some of                                                               
the  new independents,  she has  heard that  they need  access to                                                               
pipelines and  markets. If they  find gas  they are not  sure who                                                               
they can  sell it to. Nordic  Energy is one of  their lessees and                                                               
this  is  their first  foray  into  the Kenai  National  Wildlife                                                               
Refuge,  a  good  prospect.  Armstrong Oil  and  Gas  is  another                                                               
lessee; they drilled a well in  the North Fork Unit and they also                                                               
have  acreage around  that,  but  the problem  for  them also  is                                                               
pipeline access and the ability to get that gas to market.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  WIELECHOWSKI asked  if  they are  having problems  with                                                               
pipeline access.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MS. CUNNINGHAM explained  that the North Fork Unit  is not CIRI's                                                               
and  it doesn't  have a  pipeline. She  understands the  gas from                                                               
that unit  was being  trucked, and Armstrong  doesn't want  to do                                                               
that.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
4:42:08 PM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR  WIELECHOWSKI   closed  public  testimony   and  thanked                                                               
everyone for their excellent testimony.  He outlined six areas he                                                               
wanted  the  committee  to   look  into:  promoting  conservation                                                               
because it is the cheapest and  quickest way to start saving gas,                                                               
looking at ways to incentivize  storage, streamlining of permits,                                                               
increasing access to lands, exploring  AS 42.05.431 to see if the                                                               
regulatory structure  needs to be  changed, and  expanding access                                                               
to the  market. He also wondered  why the LNG plant  is operating                                                               
at only  half capacity.  He also  didn't get  a sense  that taxes                                                               
were  a  prohibiting   factor  in  getting  people   to  do  more                                                               
exploration.  He  invited people  to  submit  their ideas.  There                                                               
being  no  further business  to  come  before the  committee,  he                                                               
adjourned the meeting at 4:42.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
Armstrong - Cook Inlet Gas.pptx SRES 6/5/2009 1:00:00 PM
Chevron - Cook Inlet Gas.ppt SRES 6/5/2009 1:00:00 PM
RCA - Cook Inlet Gas.ppt SRES 6/5/2009 1:00:00 PM
DNR - Cook Inlet Gas.ppt SRES 6/5/2009 1:00:00 PM